ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

deej hanging this on a "teenagers just don't make good rap music" hobbyhorse is some sad shit

i dont think teens dont make good rap music, that's absurd

did we talk about this a few months ago? where?

some dude hanging onto his 'im going to try to cause a clusterfuck with deej' hobbyhorse is a lot more depressing imo

but overall, they just seem like an underground group and i don't think the way they do things was gonna make them like a for real commercial force like drake or rick ross or w/e

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:03 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sure, but that's not what everyone was saying about them months ago, or even last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHFkydc5CUA

I am not everyone! I am not a hip hop blogger! I am a man!

in march

• new album
• tour
• adult swim cartoon

j/k ;)

and why i'm drawn to a 29 year old rapper like boldy james over someone like tyler. its just an artistic sensibility that feels less juvenile

lol u old

(me too)

i think part of this is just like, i don't really find 18 year olds to be all that interesting or capable of translating what makes them interesting into rap music very often. maybe this is about me getting older, but there's a reason i like when artists get a chance to grow & mature, and why I think Big K.R.I.T. is just starting to come into his own style, or why i like the cool kids & used to think they were bad, and why i'm drawn to a 29 year old rapper like boldy james over someone like tyler. its just an artistic sensibility that feels less juvenile

as a dude who's a couple years older than you let me just say you can synthesize these two approaches i.e. it's incontestably the case that young dudes bring a degree of fire & newness that is the exclusive domain of youth & it's always exciting when it's on point, but as you mature you also learn to listen for other things, like depth of expression etc. but c'mon man 18 year olds do amazing shit all the time and it's awesome. however (and this an error lots of old dudes make) just because it's young & irritating that doesn't mean it's any good

+ aging dudes who go into auto THIS IS AWESOME mode with anything young & annoying are so transparently trying to beat the clock i.e. fronting are like the worst dudes of all time

there have gotta be people who just never stop having an ear for the new and exciting despite whatever surrounding hype tho, right? like i'm 26 and i feel like a creeeepe if I go to like a dubstep show or something, but whatever, i dig that stuff sometimes. still, i wonder, what happens when i'm 30 or 40 and there's a bunch of new stuff that i'm into? what happens, to me....

is there a 'too old to like certain types of music' thread

"young + annoying" is not the combination that got me into the Earl mixtape

There was no hype when I first heard Earl... He's 18 soon and if he chooses to he'll be able to make music, and I would expect his to be better than anyone else in this group.. So I don't think it's over yet.

it's not a sweeping condemnation bsj it's just the case that there's been dudes for years who make a great show of thumbs-upping bratty young shit which always looks to me like "check me out! I'm digging the stuff by these guys who'd think I'm old!"

I'm guessing the Adult Swim cartoon is gonna suck.

yup. teenage BOYS

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:46 PM

guess you missed those rolling teen pop threads huh

Quik and Shabazz Palaces are probably locks for the albums countdown. What about E-40? Do you think he'll make it?

what other rappers besides those three? Just Drake and maybe Tyler? KRIT?

(is ^this the gist of what you guys talked about a few months ago?)

i feel like writers just chase new artists, and forget them when they actually develop.

― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:48 PM Bookmark

i know this isn't what you were trying to say, but lol at the idea that Goblin is development

Quik and Shabazz Palaces are probably locks for the albums countdown. What about E-40? Do you think he'll make it?

over 40 rappers club!

kendrick lamar and danny brown will probably make it

It's not a cartoon fwiw

apparently i'm not allowed to like over 40 rappers anymore tho cause i think wild flag sound like old people playing rock star

that Wild Flag song was only okay

signed, a huge MES stan

Mr. Stephen Tyler: I big you a hearty "OTM".

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tbh deej should just look at "gucci gucci" beating "yonkers" by 10 spots or whatever on the tracks poll as the victory he's been waiting for and be done w/ it

eh this isnt really about odd future specifically tho

i tend to think that focusing on the youth of odd future is sort of a red herring... there were a lot of other things going on aesthetically that made critics and outlets that don't normally give such heavy coverage to rap latch onto them so hard... i mean lil wayne was underage once too, and no one really gave a shit. and i don't think rolling stone is gonna be doing backflips over chief keef anytime soon. which isn't to say that there isn't some truth to it... i mean it's certainly intertwined with the other stuff, but i'm not sure that it's the main factor

oh there's other stuff going on here.

but the lil wayne example is the red herring; he arrived years before this internet mentality of getting to the artist 'first' did. Juvenile & B.G. had years & several albums under their belts before they received national attention, when Wayne wasn't very good. I'm saying artists today -- like Keef, actually -- aren't being given that space

you might be right...

i sorta said this same thing when the asap rocky tape dropped, but i feel like rap right now -- maybe because it's getting less popular commercially -- is sorta going thru the same sorta method of hype that indie rock goes thru... like we may one day look back on asap rocky as the tapes n tapes or clap your hands say yeah of this period in rap music. which isn't to say that everyone is doomed... some rappers will become the arcade fire instead (if i can string this analogy along further), but there's def an element of leeching onto something very quickly, putting it on this huge pedestal, and then forgetting about it and/or trashing it if the immediate first thing we hear afterward isn't amazing. i don't think it's beneficial for artists at all, that i'll agree with.

yeah this is more or less what i was saying i suppose

the literal age doesnt matter as much as the experience ... which is where i think it breaks down more than accusations about people being out of touch with 'kids today' or w/e

that said, i do think there was totally a weird paternalistic "this is what the kids are into!" thing wrapped up in the OF hype

thinking about that more... it's less that rap is now being treated differently in terms of hype, but that the indie hype cycle is now really getting its first wave of rap artists that matter, and so we're gonna see asap rocky and odd future and kreayshawn and azealia banks and, idk, main attrakionz and shit go thru that... and in many ways its distinctly different than how the rap world treats young new artists

yeah i mean 'industry' rap seems less fickle than ever by comparison. i mean looking at how wayne or jay can be the biggest stars for years and years and years, or even how someone like fabolous can just hang in there, or the way someone like kid cudi can still seem like a 'career artist' w/ a fanbase years out from the one song people actually cared about. meanwhile some of these blog rappers get 6 months of good show money and then who knows what.

gonna just pass by and say that the ofwgkta mixtapes are still fun to listen to and yonkers made my top 10 singles list. Goblin was interesting once, maybe twice. Frank Ocean strikes me as a great long-term bet; Earl will be feted when/if he ever returns. perfectly happy to listen to more music from the rest of these guys as it develops.

i find listening to music with a third person viewpoint or some sort of meta removal/"What do the fans and critical response teach us about this music" to be profoundly uninformative and masturbatory; judging any music by any other primary standard beyond "Do I like it" is just the worst and presuming that simply because you don't like it that anyone else's appreciation is based on ignorance/trendhopping/bad taste is just the second worst.

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thanks gr80. gonna go post this up now.

+ aging dudes who go into auto THIS IS AWESOME mode with anything young & annoying are so transparently trying to beat the clock i.e. fronting are like the worst dudes of all time

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:53 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

qft

yup. teenage BOYS

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:46 PM

guess you missed those rolling teen pop threads huh

― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, January 27, 2012 2:02 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes the 3-4 people in those threads is really equivalent to the huge critical traction of odd future

but i feel like rap right now -- maybe because it's getting less popular commercially -- is sorta going thru the same sorta method of hype that indie rock goes thru... like we may one day look back on asap rocky as the tapes n tapes or clap your hands say yeah of this period in rap music

this is interesting. do you think that rap's inbuilt fetishisation of success adds to this? or is that more pertinent to jay & kanye STILL being the #1 commercial rappers, people taking rick ross seriously etc

+ aging dudes who go into auto THIS IS AWESOME mode with anything young & annoying are so transparently trying to beat the clock i.e. fronting are like the worst dudes of all time

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:53 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

qft

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, January 27, 2012 2:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

uh lex no offense but if there was ever an adult who seemed to be trying to hear music through the ears of a tween it's you

i mean, Tyler is like the exact same age as Mac Miller and Azealia Banks and Slim Dunkin and Tyga or like Biggie when he dropped his first single. The only reason his age is important is because he's a 20 year old who actually acts like a 16 year old, like running around and falling down to freak people out and calling everyone faggot because he thinks its funny

tbf Azealia Banks seems like a bit of an idiot too

at least she makes decent music though

that remains to be seen really

she made a bunch of songs that are better as instrumentals!