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drake can you copy-and-paste the parts where you were saying what Big Boi has now said?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, he's addressed more specifically with regards to anticon, but its the same line of thought I've suggested throughout the entire thread.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you got treated a lil harshly here, but you seem to take an extreme stance, get called out on it, then modify it and say "but that's what i've been saying the whole time!"

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned and his ethugs

One of the saddest/funniest things about all this is assuming that everyone else who has posted on this thread with (well-deserved) barbs in your direction does so simply because they're my toadies or something like that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe because your repeat yourself to an unusual degree, take more pride in being right all along than is really necessary for this discussion, and come across as extremely self-righteous? just a guess.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

James may just give up at once. If you are looking for good and actually musically sophisticated hip-hop, then that is not going to happen. And the responses in this thread show why. Hip-hop are doomed to stay shit forever, because the hip-hop audience has got this sick idea that musical sophistication is "white" (=bad).

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I had trouble taking your "arguments" seriously after this:

James.
You are asking for whiter hip hop.
Admit it.
-- ddrake (ddrak...), November 17th, 2003 10:54 PM.

To be perfectly honest.

x-post woah lemme get back to ya on this fucking A

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Drake, I think you really got off on the wrong foot when you said:

James.
You are asking for whiter hip hop.
Admit it.

Big Boi singled out a specific crew for specific reasons and didn't race-bait.

Geir, shut up, please, you don't know what you're talking about.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

note: I am not exempting myself from any of those things, here or elsewhere. but the question was asked.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

He's right. I was just expounding, (eloquently and with feeling, I might add), on what ddrake was saying, about the dangers of thinking your brand of hip hop is "better" or "more advanced" than hip hop, and I used anticon to illustrate that point. And he was getting attacked unfairly in this thread, especially the personal insults and the "ha ha, your college is a bad college" shit.

― Big Boi, Monday, 17 November 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

If you are looking for good and actually musically sophisticated hip-hop, then that is not going to happen.

And then there are sentences which make me ponder if humanity is not worth exploding to death.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Bullshit.
Well-deserved? Perhaps you'd like to explain.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps you'd like to explain.

I think Matos just did.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I reject Big Boi's assertion of authorial omniscience ;)

― Roland Barthes (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Matos just did.

And I responded in turn.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I never said it didn't describe most of the people on ILM! It just applies to you to a notable degree on this thread.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir,
Either you think of yourself as a provacateur of some sort, or you're really that deluded. Either way, get a life.

Roland,
Uhh....I went to a pretty decent college, and I'm still not sure what you just said.

― Big Boi, Monday, 17 November 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

btw, I've done before what I just said you do. I find it's not even about changing your position, but just changing the language and tone you use to explain your position (which is only natural when you come into a thread snarky and curt and then have to defend yourself with longer, more thought out responses to people criticising you)

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

So I'm still curious as to why a discussion on the progression of other styles of music that are as old as hip-hop doesn't create such tension.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

'cause we never talk about the blues around here

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Blues fans and country fans are as retarted as hip-hop fans when it comes to musical progression and sophistication.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

[rimshot!]

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

So if everyone's done it before, and everyone on ILM acts this way with regards to certain subjects in certain threads, why do I get so much shit in particular? Why did a bunch of assholes think it was appropriate to research my personal life?(inaccurately, incidently. Geology TA!?) Why did Ned think it was cool to sorta let that slide by as he continued to generalize about what MY argument was and insult me?

etc. etc. etc.

By the way, Geir is hilarious.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, if I were to make a post detailing a bunch of sonic elements of electronic dance music that I'd like to hear that I don't hear much of, would it have devolved into something like this?

x-post Okay I have to leave this thread forever now cuz that post actually made my blood-pressure rise.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"retarted"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The Geir one obv.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Come back Nick! The fun's just begun!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

ddrake, reread oops's 'btw' post up there and take what's said to heart, plz.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

So if everyone's done it before, and everyone on ILM acts this way with regards to certain subjects in certain threads, why do I get so much shit in particular?

this calls for a meta-thread but I really think it's healthy when this sort of thing happens, at least if people can stay mellow enough to keep from stomping off

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha you know I can't really get away.

me : geir posts regarding hip-hop :: motorists in traffic : car crash

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I read it. I agree with it. I will keep it in mind in the future.
I don't think it excuses what was pretty shitty behavior on the part of cinniblount and Dom, and yr passive-ity when they were doing it.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Referring to Ned's post.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

omg I am so completely gonna configure a keystroke that allows me to hear a rimshot every time Geir says something about hip-hop, country or blues, Matos you are a SUPER-GENIUS

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

[bows]

I'm not excusing anyone's behavior. I'm just trying to be helpful.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

ddrake, much as it might surprise you, I don't in fact think most of my posts are particularly brilliant anywhere on this board -- anything but. And I'm not here to defend or excuse Blount and Dom, they can and will speak for themselves if they want and are not my 'ethugs' or whatever term makes you happy. But as any number of posters here have noted on this thread alone, you have a terrible time with expressing thoughts that might win far more praise than anger, and the only person at fault for that is you -- and you can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to being 'provocative' and then claiming you were misunderstood. It's tired and we're collectively tired of that in turn, which is why Geir deserves and gets only a curt dismissal. If you want to end up being treated like him, keep it up (some of us have had to deal with Geir for seven years plus now), but otherwise, ease the fuck back, stop making automatic assumptions about everything and anything before you even make a first post and for god's sake relax some.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

bullseye

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

This might come off as a bit shocking and unconventional advice, but ddrake, maybe you're a tad bit sensitive (like myself)? And perhaps you should wait a few posts to go by before posting replies, even if you're unfairly insulted? That has helped my arguing skills a lot more in ILM and ILE since I tried that. I still have a lot to learn in that department myself, but i'm trying to hone the skill here.

(Honestly, when you were going on in circles examing the hip hop aesthetic, "values", and white culture (but not white race), and long instrumentals, and white-ification, but yet allowing overlap in some cases, it really threw circles arounds the thread and did no one any good, mostly yourself.)

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned said 'fuck'!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

though I know if there'd been an emoticon for it he would've used it in a heartbeat

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Well yeah.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

J0hn, you've obviously never lived with the man. He curses like a sailor in real life. Especially after spinach.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

;-)

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I YAM WHAT I YAM

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

ah-gu-gu-gu-gu-gu-gu-gu!

― Ned Raggett IS Popeye the Sailor! (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

ok visions of Popeye crackin' open a can o' spinach, doin' the one-gulp ready-to-fight single-arm-movement thing, and then bustin' out with the Popeye-voiced "Fuck! Motherfucker! Shitbags!" are breaking my brain

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Scary thing was that was my kidhood hero at 3, 4 years old, to the extent I would insist on being called Popeye. So hey!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

There must be an emoticon for 'fuck.'

8==>{}

(yes, of COURSE it's juvenile!)

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

[should've been "guh" instead of "gu" but it's close enough to the laugh, right?]

― M Matos IS Ned Raggett IS Popeye the Sailor! (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm taking y'alls advice and everyhing, but Ned, if you don't see the complicency inherent in yr silence when Dom was pulling some straight up BULLSHIT in my face, then you need to think about what the fuck yr saying.

I wasn't going "in circles" with regards to my logic about hip hop.
I wasn't allowing overlap in "some cases," i said that ALL music has cultural overlap - i mean, sample based production SAMPLES music from another culture.

And frankly, I think I have a right to be un-relaxed - or PISSED THE FUCK OFF - when people are searching the internet for my fuckgin PERSONAL FUCKING INFORMATION.
I'm sorry if you disagree.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

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