what happens if SOPA passes?

(thanks orgasm explosion to your facehole!)

lol @ that Michael Jackson image - another thing that's been so messed up about this legislation is the enormous penalties they're trying to impose on everything. reminds me of the lawsuits the RIAA would impose on people who downloaded 20-30 MP3s where they'd seek 6-figures, arguing that "well, let's assume this person uploaded it 10 times, and then each of those people uploaded it 10 times, and we lost $15 on a sale to each one of those people, so you owe us half a million bucks".

if a person is found guilty of downloading a movie or an album illegally, shouldn't the penalty be more akin to shoplifting? do they really believe that a good 40% of the country deserves to be in jail?

A jail with an AWESOME digital music collection.

While I'm on board with you wrt to unreasonable punishment not matching the crime, I gotta jump back off when you try to legitimize it with the "everyone does it" argument.

this is how we're all gonna be hearing the next kanye record guys
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/comparisons/comparisons/s/shawshankredemption/shawshank_se_us5.jpg

I mean in that respect it's kind of like speeding, everyone does it and it should be punished - what I'm saying is if you're talking about something as widespread as filesharing perhaps you shouldn't be going for jail sentences?

Well, yeah, five years in jail to watch an episode of Arrested Development is pretty insane. But, as is kinda the crux of the whole argument here, at some point you need to punish someone for making the content available illegally.

I don't think you can get punished criminally for downloading content at this point, only for making it available.

*THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE*

How much does Netflix/iTunes charge to dl an episode? That's a market rate.

I don't think you can get punished criminally for downloading content at this point, only for making it available.

I understand this, I'm just saying that a lot of the talk around the people behind these bills tries to scare people into thinking this isn't the case at all and that, yes, you can do JAIL TIME for downloading one movie.

yeah no one's ever been punished for downloading music/movies/etc, only for sharing it.

it's a pretty important distinction thats allowed the rapidshare/megaupload sites to become so popular as a filesharing medium, because you're essentially passing the liability from yourself to the hosting site when you share files through those. it's much safer than bittorrent.

Oh yeah, totally, I get that. But that isn't what the RIAA and MPAA want you to believe. I mean, remember those pre-trailer commercials at movies that showed the kid downloading one file and equating it to stealing a car?

well, if the car is a Kia

I don't think you can get punished criminally for downloading content at this point, only for making it available.

― frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), maandag 23 januari 2012 19:32 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This is still Dutch law btw. Downloading is legal, uploading is illegal. When torrenting one does both obv. Secretary of Justice is trying to make downloading illegal too though

that a free DL can be thought of as equivalent to a lost sale is crazy logic

LOL

http://kotaku.com/5878245/jailed-megaupload-king-is-still-the-world-no-1-in-modern-warfare-3

Oh yeah, totally, I get that. But that isn't what the RIAA and MPAA want you to believe. I mean, remember those pre-trailer commercials at movies that showed the kid downloading one file and equating it to stealing a car?

exactly - i think people have only been sued/prosecuted for uploading thus far, but doesn't this bill or even the letter of the law before this state that d/ling was also heavily punishable? but yeah - "YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR" sticks out as one of the worst ad campaigns of the last 20 years (since "home taping is killing music", at leat)

hmm http://geeks.thedailywh.at/2012/01/23/mediafire-comments-on-megaupload-situation-of-the-day/

It gets lost in the discussion that US copyright law originally didn't really have a malum se kind of rationale. It was more of an economic experiment. You can see this in the language of the copyright clause of the consitution -- it's not "stealing is bad" it's "this will encourage people to make more stuff" basically. So it's understandable that most people don't intuitively see copying a file as being the same as stealing physical property, because it's not really stealing so much as violating an exclusive legal right.

any other industry would see that as a demand and try to exploit it btw

a demand

i am starting a metal band called MALUM SE....

Unconfirmed "inside info" via OccupyMarines:

"MegaUpload - Closed.
FileServe - Closing does not sell premium.
FileJungle - Deleting files. Locked in the U.S.
UploadStation - Locked in the U.S.
FileSonic - The news is arbitrary (under FBI investigation).
VideoBB - Closed! would disappear soon.
Uploaded - Banned U.S. and the FBI went after the owners who are gone.
FilePost - Deleting all material (so will leave executables, pdfs, txts)
Videoz - closed and locked in the countries affiliated with the USA.
4shared - Deleting files with copyright and waits in line at the FBI.
MediaFire - Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI
Org torrent - could vanish with everything within 30 days "he is under criminal investigation"
Network Share mIRC - awaiting the decision of the case to continue or terminate Torrent everything.

P.S. mediafire has start deleting copyright protected files. Only left is the personal files."

https://plus.google.com/111314089359991626869/posts/HQJxDRiwAWq

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2011/111221airvinyl

^ worth thinking hard about imo

interesting

still, who's move evil UMC or Megaupload hmmmm

sorry but lol @ the idea that megaupload was shutdown because of the threat of yet another diy online music distro scheme

man, everything's happening really really quickly now.

I'm kind of excited about going back to the ol' I've got a list of my library, other person's got a list of their library, we trade MP3 CD-Rs through the mail...

(ie tape trading except with more stuff in the vessel)

Hmmm you know there's a provider conspicuously absent from that list xxxpost...

yeah, tape trading'd be ok with me, i guess! i just got a huge hard drive w/ a bunch of television bootlegs on it via the mail.

*casts creepy gaze in tyler's direction*

it's intense -- apparently every bootleg recording of the band from 1974-1978! And that was just the beginning of the hard drive. i couldn't deal with more...

That... makes me feel insane.

it is insane. look at this!
Television

1974-00-00 Rehearsal In Ork Loft
1974-00-00 Rehearsal In Ork Loft Videotape Soundtrack
1974-08-00 Max’s Kansas City
1974-00-00 Brian Eno Richard Williams Demos

1975-00-00 Early 1975 Unknown Location
1975-00-00 Rehearsal In Ork Loft
1975-01-00 CBGB
1975-01-17 CBGB
1975-03-23 CBGB
1975-04-17 CBGB
1975-06-00 CBGB
1975-06-15 CBGB
1975-07-00 CBGB
1975-07-24 Piccadilly Inn
1975-07-25 Piccadilly Inn
1975-08-00 Demos
1975-08-02 CBGB Summer Festival (Might be 1975-08-03)
1975-08-02 CBGB Summer Festival (Might be 1975-08-03) (Alternate Source)
1975-08-08 CBGB (only 3 songs)
1975-10-17 Mother’s
1975-10-27 Max’s
1975-12-07 CBGB

1976-00-00 CBGB
1976-01-14 CBGB
1976-01-25 CBGB
1976-01-25 CBGB (alternate source)
1976-02-18 CBGB
1976-03-11 CBGB
1976-03-11 CBGB (alternate source)
1976-03-11 CBGB (another alternate source)
1976-03-12 CBGB
1976-04-16 CBGB
1976-06-30 CBGB
1976-07-29 CBGB
1976-07-30 CBGB
1976-07-31 CBGB
1976-12-00 CBGB
1976-12-26 CBGB
1976-12-28 CBGB
1976-12-29 CBGB
1976-12-30 CBGB
1976-12-31 Palladium
1977-00-00 CBGB
1977-03-13 Masonic Auditorium, Detroit
1977-04-05 Whisky A Go Go, Los Angeles
1977-04-14 Whisky A Go Go, Los Angeles
1977-06-03 Paradiso, Amsterdam
1977-06-05 Auditoire Janson, Brussels
1977-06-07 Olympia, Paris
1977-06-15 Daddy’s Dance Hall, Copenhagen
1977-06-17 Jarlateatern, Stockholm
1977-08-08 Syncopation, Hartsdale
1977-08-31 Syncopation, Hartsdale (first set)
1977-08-31 Syncopation, Hartsdale (second set)

1978-00-00 Adventure Outtakes
1978-00-00 Adventure Rough Mixes from Acetate
1978-03-20 My Father’s Place
1978-04-11 Glasgow, Scotland
1978-04-17 Hammersmith Odeon, London
1978-06-09 My Father’s Place
1978-07-02 Earth Tavern, Portland
1978-07-02 Earth Tavern, Portland (DIME mix source)
1978-07-03 The Place, Seattle
1978-07-03 The Place, Seattle (alternate source)
1978-07-29 The Bottom Line

[sorry for thread derail]

Hmmm you know there's a provider conspicuously absent from that list xxxpost...

yeah, I had to scan that list several times

rapidshare?

http://www.fastcompany.com/1810967/rapidshare-lawyer-if-were-shut-down-like-megaupload-then-youtube-dropbox-and-apples-icloud-a

I'm kind of excited about going back to the ol' I've got a list of my library, other person's got a list of their library, we trade MP3 CD-Rs through the mail...
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this. also looking forward to listening to all the rare music i've found thanks to the interwebs now that i won't be able to find any more.

I'm kinda looking forward to all of the free time I'll have in lieu of not searching, tagging or backing up files. Maybe I might even go for a walk, although I hear it's winter outside now.

dropbox is not searchable

i recognize that some aspects of the megaupload takedown are dubious but i don't think it's so terrible if the internet isn't a free lunch for music anymore. i mean i've gotten used to it as much as anyone (particularly when it comes to ultra-rare vinyl rips etc.) but i don't feel like it was owed to me and i always expected it to come tumbling down.

however i do depend on some of the more obscure P2P film sites where people share like german films from 1917 and indian TV documentaries from the 1970s -- stuff that no one would access to otherwise and that noone is likely to make an aggressive copyright claim on. i'd be sad if that came to an end. it bothers me that sites don't have a "if it's available commercially, don't share it" policy. by sharing, say, some criterion DVD they are opening themselves up to legitimate intellectual property disputes, but if they stuck w/ hyper-obscure stuff they'd probably be safe.

I'm decidedly not looking forward to having to send off to Argentina or Korea and getting CDs in the post six to eight weeks later like i did in 1999. As good as Spotify, iTunes and even torrents might be, they're pretty useless for a lot of foreign language stuff. One of the great things about music being freely available is that it broke down all the geographical barriers involved in distributing records. There's no technological reason paid-for downloads should be any different but it just hasn't happened.

The company i work for was one of the sponsors of SOPA and there's been some interesting debate on the internal social network. The chief of the tech department wrote an open letter, co-signed by dozens of authors, to the CEO to object.

I'm kind of excited about going back to the ol' I've got a list of my library, other person's got a list of their library, we trade MP3 CD-Rs through the mail...
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this. also looking forward to listening to all the rare music i've found thanks to the interwebs now that i won't be able to find any more.

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), woensdag 25 januari 2012 0:46 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm following Ubuweb on twitter, and I love how they had a forebearing about all this. They keep saying lately, even before MU shutting down (but mostly because of the SOPA/PIPA threat): download! Download all you can. The cloud won't last, don't believe in everything being available all the time. Download and store it for yourself. Don't rely on file storage websites.

It came across a bit too paranoid at times for me but it was intruiging and right now they've the right on their side.

honestly UBUweb kind of sucks in that they will post the work of living filmmakers that is otherwise available for rental from really economically marginal cooperatives... and will not take stuff down even when asked by the filmmakers themselves. so fuck an UBUweb.

so they illustrate a number of facets of this issue iguessiswhatimsaying.

I did not know that, nor encountered anything like that. "Fuck an UBUweb" is a stretch though, seeing how much wonderful content they made available. Goldmine.

i'd agree if they weren't so intransigent when it comes to removing stuff that they posted against the wishes of the artists.