what happens if SOPA passes?

my job for awhile involved doing just that sort of thing with uploaded videos and film and i always felt it was a complete waste of time, b/c for every youtube or metacafe there are many others out there, and it doesn't matter. what we ended up doing was youtube's monetizing system had a built-in ID, so instead of the user who uploaded potentially making any revenue on views, the revenue went right to us and the video was left up.

it comes down to megaupload saying "ok we'll take it down but we need to know that it belongs to you" and that shit takes time.

Yep. Wish I knew where I saw it now, but just a couple of weeks ago I read something about a new push to streamline this whole process with a new central right database, so that all content and IP ownership (worldwide?) can be identified quickly.

central rights database

my guess is the future of the industry might come down to the riaa teaming up with sites like that and making money on hits. you know, fractions of pennies for each listen or w/e but better than nothing. can't beat em, join em.

what we ended up doing was youtube's monetizing system had a built-in ID, so instead of the user who uploaded potentially making any revenue on views, the revenue went right to us and the video was left up.

oh wow

it IDed on either video or audio, only way users could fuck w/it was to alter the video somehow. if you ever see a youtube video that is slowed down a little bit, it might be because they're trying to dodge that system.

my guess is the future of the industry might come down to the riaa teaming up with sites like that and making money on hits. you know, fractions of pennies for each listen or w/e but better than nothing. can't beat em, join em.

In a sensible world, yes, but the RIAA and all int'l equivalents are far too greedy and old-fashioned to make it work. They're playing an all-or-nothing game by a very old set of rules.

it's actually really popular that. YouTube's categorisation is in the realms of spooky -- we had a demo of it once, and it will catch snippets of things even if you try and deliberately obscure them by fucking w/the video.

Then they give you, Mr Rights Holder, this giant interface that shows all the stuff on YouTube that they reckon infringes your copyright, and you can either click through one by one taking them down, or whack a button that says "put ads on these and send me the income" xp

the literal "right to copy" starts to break down when the ability to copy becomes so trivial and low-cost. that's basically the whole deal we're trying to talk about.

(i've hesitated to write something like this for days now cos it seems so pedantic)

not pedantic at all, imo. that's the crux, it doesn't get talked about much in such plain terms, and it's very hard to resolve. to what extend does (or can) the "right to copy" break down?

in the end, even that system had its faults and wasn't 100% but we caught most of them i believe.

xp i feel like the riaa will get to a point where they have to do it. barring a complete shutdown of the internet, there's no way to stop it.

otm, and I'm sure this is not news to anyone here but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Justice.gov is down, whitehouse.gov under fire too by Anonymous in retaliation

copyright.gov, RIAA, UniversalMusic, MPAA, all under attack right now

http://gizmodo.com/5877679

Anon says fbi.gov is next

holy shit

nice work but I fail to see how it's going to help anyone ever

True, but the amount of fire-power is amazing

Anonymous Anonymous @YourAnonNews

Incoming Database Dump. Get Ready #OpMegaupload

Amazing firepower, absolutely, but it just gives the RIAA &c. an excuse to label everyone who's anti-SOPA a terrorist.

and then we've bugger-all hope of stopping the legislation.

lol shots fired

hadopi.fr went down

http://i.imgur.com/VIvQq.gif

Amazing firepower, absolutely, but it just gives the RIAA &c. an excuse to label everyone who's anti-SOPA a terrorist ... and then we've bugger-all hope of stopping the legislation.

― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:04 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OTFM. turning this into a war isn't going to result in increased internet freedom for anyone.

at least not in the short run

that did say "raging vagina tractors" rite xxp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k82kAfNlZf0

OTFM. turning this into a war isn't going to result in increased internet freedom for anyone.

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), vrijdag 20 januari 2012 0:07 (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

But today's extreme raid on Megaupload will?

Anonymous didn't start any war, the war has been going on for years already.

ct: yeah, it will just encourage govts to clamp down harder to stamp out the terrorists (and take us all down with them).

my this thread has gotten exciting

We are getting a taste of what happens if SOPA passes imo

yup. There's no way the MPAA can hire -all- of these 'hackers' in time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4hQnI7gMnc&feature=related

well I was reading this as 'SOPA obviously not gonna pass at this point, megaupload / prob some other big busts are the consolation prize'

Yesterday I was thinking how short-sighted it was of the RIAA to belittle Wikipedia, given the sheer number of people who learn about the artists and albums they purchase by going straight to the Wikipedia pages. It's so daft. It's like if Sega were to write off EB Games as a waste of space.

referring to this (thanks to Ned who put me onto it)

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2012/01/xlarge_2f76ed225a8572989bb77300a2bc8e98.jpg

Okay, if we can focus SOPA so that it specifically targets The Oatmeal and nothing else, I would encourage my rep/senator to vote for it

Really tired of the convential wisdom that Wikipedia is a terrible resource plagued by constant errors and made up "facts". Yes, of course any student or anyone that uses it as a sole source for any sort of professional research is an idiot and deserves what they get, but its a great resource to begin with and branch off from there.

its a great resource to begin with and branch off from there.

Fucking otm. As with any resource, it's important to know how to use it, and how to use it includes checking the provided citations to ensure that facts are indeed facts.

i've been telling some of my students: don't copy and paste, don't quote it, but you can use it to signpost you to stuff on the net that's perfectly solid

the literal "right to copy" starts to break down when the ability to copy becomes so trivial and low-cost. that's basically the whole deal we're trying to talk about.

this is what i was driving at upthread! duplication is so cheap, and so immediate, that it has inherently devalued the original product. which, in the case of movies, is something that's been a long time coming. mega-budget SFX aside, there is really no reason for movies to be as expensive to produce as they are right now. the economics are archaic, and built on the assumption that films require armies of people and materiel, and can only be shown in purpose built structures, etc. etc. digital technology hasn't just up-ended the distribution of media, it's also done the same to the actual production.

cross post with the apple thread re: FCP moving to a completely digital workflow. yeah ok some people still work with tape and need to conform to certain broadcast standards and yadda yadda yadda. who cares: we're all gonna be watching stuff digitally soon if we aren't already.

yeah, a close friend of mine was a teacher and always blasted wikipedia for being shoddy and i was like uh some of those articles have bibliographies with like 50 references. just because your stupid idiot students copied it doesn't make it a bad resource, it makes them bad researchers

But today's extreme raid on Megaupload will?

i don't consider the raid on megaupload "extreme", at least not yet

and wikipedia is probably the best single information resource humanity has ever devised

probably

they raided on snowboards that were dropped from helicopters

pretty extreme if you ask me

Xtreme.