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― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
cant the argument just be that she is terrible?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
p much reads like "what did you expect dressing like that?"
honestly i don't even know how to respond to this. i'm not using the way she dresses, acts or sings to justify any kind of sexual violence against her and the suggestion that i am is... like unless you believe that any discussion of someone's sexuality is itself a form of sexual violence?
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
fiona could teach lana a thing or two about owning a stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5LhxqbmsZ4&feature=related
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw, judith, and i wrote this above, i think that yes, some ppl on the internet (HRO seems to be the biggest offender, tho i haven't read his piece) are clearly criticizing her in language that scans as explicitly sexist. those ppl suck. at the same time, those ppl aren't (afaict) posting here on ilx so using them as a cudgel to beat back ppl criticizing her here is strawman-esque?
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, fiona had a pretty limited palette too. and she also had catchy songs, hearbreakm laments, psychsexual drama, and decent production. AND she could stalk a stage and captivate. and pout. she was good at it! probably younger then lana when she had her heyday too. don't know how old people are anymore.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
"psychosexual"
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
actually i'm guessing about the psychosexual element, cuz i don't remember her lyrics too well, but the big one had the boyfriend with the deviant lifestyle and all that. whatever that meant. and the seedy calvin klein video kinda went in that direction.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, i'm kinda derailing this other, uh, thing with fiona talk. carry on.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
i haven't read anything on hro about this, though a language that is explicitly sexist would be preferable to an endless displacement, where certain tropes are allowed to enter in that normally have no place but refuse to rise to the surface. i mean florence or feist or robyn or p much any harvest of "quirky chicks" buzz cycles where their authenticity is so easily toppled. its a pretty similar narrative that gets repeated, it has to do with unmasking in some sense. it has its own identifiable features and it does illustrate a gender dynamic, a way in which women artists can only be framed one way regardless so that their adoption of a certain image is also this thing that makes them easy to dismiss. and yeah this does all have a lot to do with rape discourses, which tend to feature heavily this need to blame women for their ways of self-presenting. it has implications that it doesn't for men. there are roads that go places. to point that out is not to call everybody a rapist but like seriously this thread reads super badly. i probably shouldn't have singled out one post by one poster. for that i'm sorry.
― judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago) link
As far as I can tell, LDR has no interest in owning a stage. She's aiming at a Dorothy Vallens vibe and doesn't have the life damage/acting chops to pull off that kind of mystique.
― Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link
there are roads that go places?
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not blaming ldr for how she's presenting herself. my post that you quoted above was showing the mismatch between how she presented herself on her recorded single and how she seemed to be trying and failing to present herself that way on SNL.
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
also, for the record, i don't believe ldr should expect criticism + condemnation bc she dresses provocatively. i do think she should expect criticism bc she's a public figure and much like politicians, actors, and other people who have chosen to be in the spotlight, musicians (both male + female) can expect harsh things to be written about them. sometimes by ppl on ilx. i don't know if it's a good thing. it's probably a deeply embedded human thing.
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
short of performing behind gauze in front of a million candles while standing on a wind machine, surrounded by brass buttons held at precise, oscillating angles aloft by a trained chorus of vassals, i'm not sure she could have synced the presentation of herself in the video with that of an uncontrolled performance on SNL
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
musicians (both male + female) can expect harsh things to be written about them
but the nature of those things are often different for female musicians!
oh wait, you are the guy that was oblivious to the egregious gender stereotyping in Almost Famous. Why am I bothering?
― sarahel, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
t/s potential gender insensitivity vs calling people rapey
― blurgh (jjjusten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
i called what he said rapey
― judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
well now how could that possibly come off wrong
― blurgh (jjjusten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
i think it came off about right
― judith, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
"i'm not saying you are an actual rapist, i am just saying that you say things the way a rapist would say them. no offense intended."
― blurgh (jjjusten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
her failing to deliver on her "sexy image" justifies for the harsh backlash.
― judith, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:55 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
okay, but i didn't see anyone saying anything remotely like that ITT. you say that this thread reads badly, but if there's something concrete you object to, it'd help if you'd point it out. i agree, by the way, that there's a narrative of exposure and humiliation that we often attempt to enact with pop stars, especially female pop stars.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
^agreed. and it's despicable, in or out of ILX. but i don't think pointing the finger at mordy and calling his posts rapey is at all helpful.
― uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
i wasn't going to say anything but seriously? i disagreed w/ your reading of almost famous so it's not worth even having a conversation with me?
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
*agreeing with contenderizer's last poing about ritual humiliation
― uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago) link
*point
poing!
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
xxp - whoa, i was pretty aggro an hour ago. basically, non-judgmentally, what seems obvious to me, doesn't seem obvious to you.
― sarahell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
mellow has 2 l's too
― buzza, Thursday, 19 January 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
Delusional? Haha Who are you? Listen to yourself. She ain't ready to **** with the big dogs? LMFAO man who are you? Do you not understand how irrelevant your opinion even is? Can you hit a note in front of a hooters crowd let alone live on SNL yourself? This is what the **** I'm talking about man LMFAO. I'm sick of these mother****ers. I'm sick of these snobbish indie ****s and their Vampire Weeknd graphic tees and Coachella 3 day passes, I'm sick of these hipsters in their straw fedora hats and Clark's showing us their ankles walking down the street thinking they know everything about music and the industry just because they own pet sounds on vinyl, I'm sick of these bloggers, I'm sick of these faceless ****s on the Internet who think their opinion is the end all be all and have this fantasy in their head that what they say on their personal blogspot named after their favorite Michael Cera quote or their stupid ****ing tumblr with their pictures of Bon Iver and personal reviews of old Hitch**** and Kubrick films actually ****ing matter. That their meaningless, uninformed, irrelevant opinions actually reach the masses and some random person in Hong Kong or LA or ****ing Kansas actually gives a **** about SNL, or The " Big dogs" or even Lana her ****ing self. That the real world actually gives a **** because if they did, why the **** would her EP be selling? **** this ****. I'm not defending this performance. I'm just now getting up on all the information about this album but this **** has to stop. At some point these people are going to have to turn off their computers. Walk outside and realize that what they say and what they think really doesn't ****ing matter.
― cock chirea, Thursday, 19 January 2012 09:26 (twelve years ago) link
i am v much in favour of m@tt's fiona talk (and it strikes me as pretty relevant), and when the tennis is over i might continue it
― irina-camelia begu (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 January 2012 10:08 (twelve years ago) link
fiona is technically very talented which makes her involvement in this discussion unnecessary I think. She walked out on stage at a show I was at a couple months ago and was p incredible, she looked like she weighed ten pounds though
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 January 2012 10:13 (twelve years ago) link
xp That is a fine rant. Assumed it was from somewhere else but found nothing when I googled it.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 19 January 2012 11:01 (twelve years ago) link
Did you try googling "their personal blogspot named after their favorite Michael Cera quote"?
― uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
funnily enough, I did. Apparently, it's "You would like be the meanest wife ever."
― Mark G, Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
this morning i saw a news segment on Fuse about Lana Del Rey and her talking about how she doesn't like live TV, and then i changed the channel and MTV Hits had a news segment about Lana Del Rey responding to her 'haters,' it's kind of surreal that they're basically beaming this stuff out to a viewing audience that for the most part probably hasn't heard her music at all yet if they didn't see the SNL performances.
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
i can't say for sure, but I wouldn't be shocked if more people watch SNL than Fuse or MTV Hits
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
well sure, duh. i just mean that they're doing this blanket media push on all these different outlets, and it's less "here's a new artist to be excited about" and more "here's someone you might've just heard of for the first time a week ago responding to their first big career controversy." it's weird.
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
i'm a sucker for her betty-boop squeals in "off to the races"
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:48 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so otm
also the 'light of my life/fire of my loins' reminds me of most fav thread titles
Ebay, Light Of My Life, Fire Of My Loins, My Sin, My Soul
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
xp Thanks - couldn't find it earlier for some reason
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
Tbh the reason I immediately jumped on that line was bcz I confused Michael Cera with John Cena
― uncle acid and the absquatulators (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
...reviews of old Hitch**** and Kubrick films...
― m0stlyClean, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sick of these indie snobs with their Urban Outfitter coupons and their Juno blu rays. It's truly astonishing to me how quick people are to hate instead of love and support. The performance was nothing to brag about for sure but my god, how about some support? Some encouraging words maybe? It's like the fan doesn't even exist anymore. It's just a bunch **** faces in high water tan skinny jeans and wing tips with Iphones surgically attached to their hands looking to be impressed while you perform on bended knee praying that their next tweet doesn't break you. **** outta here
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
love this guy
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K4wYx9pu_9Y/TbI4YUFhuOI/AAAAAAAAAIE/BhfmvL6Em78/s1600/Pump%2B2.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe this has been posted elsewhere but it fits here. LDR obsession turns Carles into Howard Beale, only more self-hating.
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2012/01/lana-me-our-dark-abusive-co-dependent-relationship-content-farm-carles.html
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
i finally saw that SNL performance, was pretty bad i guess but not that big of a deal, i don't know what ppl would expect from her
she seemed to be using a weird english accent kinda
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
it's called "I haven't figured out how to adapt my classical voice teacher's technique to my pop music yet" syndrome
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, unless she lit herself on fire in the middle of the performance there's literally no SNL performance bad enough that couldn't be described as 'not that big of a deal.' We are dealing with one pop musician on a sketch comedy show. The stakes could be lower, but in the scheme of things, not by much.
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link