what happens if SOPA passes?

same w/ the cost of drugs

1) these bills aren't going to pass, they were never going to pass
2) programmers/hackers would have just found ways around this shit, like they always do
3) righteous indignation about the right to pirate DVDs, MP3s, etc is nagl

xp

the cost of getting certain types of sounds/instruments on your album is probably way down from Neil's heyday,

this is absolutely 100% not true

Shakey you are impossible to argue with on this. Like I've said multiple times now, the bills aren't just about illegally downloading music and movies.

like I said, it really depends on what exactly he's talking about here

it's terrible bill and i don't think it's going to pass, and if it does it won't have the draconian DNS stuff in it IMO

basically what i'm saying is all the crazy bloat and waste and excess and stupidity created an atmosphere where certain things could happen, and more importantly, they meant something different specifically because of who these people were and the pedestal they were put on.

yeah I'm pretty sure the era of the mega-blockbuster album is over, but the system that creates that seems to do way more harm than good

besides, the cost of getting certain types of sounds/instruments on your album is probably way down from Neil's heyday, but I guess I'm not really sure what you're referring to here

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tonight's the night isn't a mega-blockbuster, it's a super ragged album that was done over a few months where neil and the band rented out a building in LA and proceeded to do drugs and drink themselves to death and then did takes at like 2AM

it's an amazing album and captures that vibe of being fucked up beyond belief and sad etc

i'm not saying the money went to like hiring orchestras and brian wilson type shit, i'm saying that it is a great album SPECIFICALLY because neil got to live like he got to live, as a fucked up rockstar coming off a huge hit album and thus the label was willing to fund his ridiculous antics and even release an amazingly non-commercial album because harvest

the album could not have been made on weeknights on a macbook before neil went to bed to go work in an HR job or something

there are plenty of musicians out there. some talented ones will always languish in obscurity. some hacks will, inexplicably and inevitably, rise to the top. a few will find their place, high or low on the musical totem, under native impulse. money has little to do with it.

~ from sensei bean's collected tritisms vol. 2 ~

Like I've said multiple times now, the bills aren't just about illegally downloading music and movies.

I know it isn't and I never said they were. Nonetheless, this is what the most panic-stricken comments about these bills have been concerned about.

I think righteous indignation about the right to not have your website shut down because an anonymous commenter posted a Youtube video is agl

basically i think you need big money and big scale stuff, funded by crooked motherfuckers, it all makes things more interesting

the album could not have been made on weeknights on a macbook before neil went to bed to go work in an HR job or something

so OTM. just the luxury of having months to work on nothing else but a record, hang out in a different locale and do whatever - nobody can do that now.

xp

the album could not have been made on weeknights on a macbook before neil went to bed to go work in an HR job or something
bruce berry was a workin man, he used to fill out w-9s

I'm pretty sure Mick and Keef still can.

so OTM. just the luxury of having months to work on nothing else but a record, hang out in a different locale and do whatever - nobody can do that now.

otoh we have many other new luxuries w/r/t the creation and distribution of music

I'm not saying music is worse now or anything like that, but in general it is made in a VERY different way now, and the stakes and degree of potential exposure to a mass audience are much lower

xp

okay, I see what you're saying now Shakey, I haven't heard the album in question

obviously there are both sides to this. I can see some artists thriving under filesharing that before would have never been able to build an audience otherwise

bruce berry was a workin man, he used to fill out w-9s

bands used to have roadies! can you believe it?

so OTM. just the luxury of having months to work on nothing else but a record, hang out in a different locale and do whatever - nobody can do that now.

isn't this how James Murphy made the 3rd LCD Soundsystem record? I don't think its as bad as you're making it out to be

Rupert Murdoch is disappointed:

https://twitter.com/#!/rupertmurdoch/status/159425611000057856

Murphy is in a fairly unusual situation - head of his own label, income from product placement, etc. - he basically bankrolled that himself. which is not what Neil did.

don't worry everyone, these bills will not affect your ability to pirate music

lol

rupertmurdochRupert Murdoch

Don't care about people not buying movies, programs or newspapers, just stealing them.

15 hours ago

think this says it all

well, sometimes that goes the other way too. didn't Factory Records spend like $2 million on the Happy Mondays for Yes, Please! and subsequently bankrupt themselves?

tbf that's some guesswork on my part. I do recall there being some argument on some other thread a long time ago about how rich James Murphy was and someone pulled up an interview where he revealed he was barely surviving in NY on like $30k a year or something... that was awhile ago though.

hey hey
Wii Wii
rock and roll will never die

if they don't pass tho Hollywood's ability to keep churning out quality product cd be damaged

always important to remember that media companies are continually in panicked darkness about what the public is going to want next. they rely on their contracted performers and writers to come up with the goods but it's not like they really know why it worked or for how long

that sounds kind of obvious to say but shakedown's line about "a fucked up rockstar coming off a huge hit album and thus the label was willing to fund his ridiculous antics" made me think of it

if they don't pass tho Hollywood's ability to keep churning out quality product cd be damaged

lol

tbf that's some guesswork on my part. I do recall there being some argument on some other thread a long time ago about how rich James Murphy was and someone pulled up an interview where he revealed he was barely surviving in NY on like $30k a year or something... that was awhile ago though

that might have been before Pitchfork hyped the shit out of him. I really have no idea how he got so famous as I've never heard him mentioned on radio or TV or really anything besides blogs and sites like this one

I think he got famous because people on the internet liked the music he was making and then other people also liked the music he was making

that is just my theory

it was his songs being in beer commercials and gossip girl i bet

suspect LCD gets used on a lot of soundtracks etc

I thought his Superbowl appearance did it...?

from what I know, ppl are making more money off of licensing than anything else

suspect LCD gets used on a lot of soundtracks etc

^^^strongly suspect this and the commercials is where he really made his dough

i'm not saying that when the labels die all good music will die, of course it won't, i have like 100s of records my artists that never made any money, were totally obscure etc

but i think it's silly to say that the system didn't work sometimes, and also it's silly to say that specific albums and artists could not have done what they did without it

to use more recent examples of stuff that a lot of ppl on ILM have felt were significant...take say my beautiful dark twisted fantasy...or lady gaga

neither one of those examples could work outside of the big label system, gaga's video budget for one song could bankrupt an indie and there's no way you could self-fund that...

dark twisted fantasy, which i'm not a huge fan of but obv some ppl think is a classic, is more akin to my neil young example...i just flat don't think kanye would have had those songs or those ideas or lyrics or anything without having been a huge coked up millionaire star

yeah, well obviously something has to go, the industry isn't going to sustain itself like this. I would think it's much harder to sustain the mega-millionaire stars w/ license to do whatever

i assume they're easier to maintain because they sell a lot of records?

I think he got famous because people on the internet liked the music he was making and then other people also liked the music he was making

my question was more, "when did this all happen". he was getting plenty of hype in 2005 but from what I had seen few people had heard of him or came to the shows.

from what I know, ppl are making more money off of licensing than anything else

this is probably true, I think the goal for most young artists is just to get a song in Madden or Tony Hawk 16

a lot of bands don't get anything for being in EA Sports titles, lots of times A&Rs work really hard to get placement in games as promo

it's different in the case of GTA where rockstar takes a lot of pride in curating a soundtrack to capture and era and vibe

well, i've heard the opposite (that they do get paid), but yeah I think getting in a game like GTA is so huge regardless b/c you now have millions of people listening to your song over and over again where the more "traditional" exposure methods like radio/MTV are kinda dead to most bands

but i think it's silly to say that the system didn't work sometimes, and also it's silly to say that specific albums and artists could not have done what they did without it

this goes back to what I was talking about w/ avatar upthread. could that movie have been made without a 1/4 billion dollar investment? no. is it cool that you can still make 1/4 billion dollar investments in a work of art and make money? sure. will this model last forever? no. you can say the model we're trending towards in the music business is a good thing or a bad thing, but either way it's still a thing.

well, i've heard the opposite (that they do get paid), but yeah I think getting in a game like GTA is so huge regardless b/c you now have millions of people listening to your song over and over again where the more "traditional" exposure methods like radio/MTV are kinda dead to most bands

m@tt works in the videogame industry iirc pretty sure he knows what he's talking about. plus you realize that in the former scenario you describe you imply the band should be grateful for simply getting exposure, whereas in the latter scenario they would have actually gotten paid.

maybe they should be grateful for simple getting exposure when there are 100,000 other bands out there

simply

well, i've heard the opposite (that they do get paid)

sometimes but matts right abt the EA games

it's pretty obvious from the acts that get on FIFA games that it's a plugging exercise