Britpop : Time For Reevaluation?

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Depends what Britpop is/was. I have some nostalgia for the era but then I was 16-19 and everyone's nostalgic for their late teens. Anyway, there were changes happening, whether you ascribe them to , which was about participation & possibilities. If Oasis/ Blair could write songs/ get a record deal/ be PM etc , than so could I and you and your mum. Libertines and Lily Allen wouldn't have broken through without that initial loosening of the degrees of separation between PerformerArtist & ConsumerPublic

― winter testing (winter testing), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

"I just wonder how Scottish people felt about 'Britpop'"

All-time greatest Scot contender Edwyn Collins did a song about it at the time:

"Its the same old story,
Englands glory,
Claming back the Union Jack my arse"

― everything (everything), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Britpop was the same old same old pop with added oddly white/reactionary "good OLD rock'n'roll" bollocks attached to it to me.

It never rang true from the start for me, and it felt like CLEARLY announced from the start too, unlike the natural progression of Madchester etc.

It also bugged me how it led to Northerners being thick monkeys and Southerners being clever cockneys all over again.

Of course it's totally fair to point out that the US "invasion" was waning, and yes the guitar element of the "summer of love" did seem to have fallen apart rather, as did the Hacienda dream.... still a moment of weakness hardly excuses a vicious ideological pounce & reinforcing of some *very* dubious 'values' I hardly feel any more refreshed by in the 00's than I did then.

Anyone sick of their Cigarettes and Alcohol yet?

I'm nostalgic for the early 90's too, but Britpop's "nostalgia" felt poisonous and manufactured from the word go.

Something does occur to me though... "Blinded By The Lights" vs. "Sorted for E's & Wizz"?

Maybe these thigns do come in waves but I'm wondering what exactly DID give the Britpop 2.0 movement such impetus? What was THAT reacting to? Destiny's Child?

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

too much whitespace sorry

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

Swells assault and takedown of the Happy Mondays vs. the blind eye turned to The Zutons "Glastonbury? Kylie is for the gays!" etc etc

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

sorry winter testing I feel like I hardly responded to the most interesting of your points there :( (depends how much you buy the Libs and L'Allen as grass roots movements tho!)

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

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― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

not all of us.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

Were Cast ,Bluetones & Shed 7 etc underrated?

I'm dying here.

― Leopold Boom! (noodle vague), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

are winter testing and dance dance counter-revolution "friends of louis"?

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

Now then now then, as it 'appens, is it time for like a critical reevaluation of the groovy MerseyBEAT 'cos it like seems to be a dirty word for the last 67 years owowowo God rest my S0-WEL Uncle Ted?

Was, like, the Merseybeat groovy guy geezer guy geezers really the sound of the young Britain what I was grooving away to in them days of dearie Lord dearie Lord? Were there any ace records from the hit paRADE of the time? Would you 'ave got like ten points if you recalled the Trem El Oes, Billy J Kramer and like what his DaKOtas and grooviest of all groovy guy geezer guy geezers, Swinging Blue Jeans The?

― Jimmy Saveloy (nostudium), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

Nobody disses the Tremeloes on my watch.

― Leopold Boom! (noodle vague), Thursday, 28 September 2006 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

we are all friends of Louis
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― winter testing (winter testing), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think lil' Louis has shown admirable tenacity, or masochism, in sticking around considering the whipping he gets. I wouldn't have.

― trance pants devolution (fandango), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Cast, Bluetones & Shed 7 were probably underberated.

― trance pants devolution (fandango), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...

JARVIS: ''BRITPOP WAS RUBBISH''

http://www.playlouder.com/news/~jarvis-britpop-w/

― djmartian, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

I just wonder how Scottish people felt about 'Britpop'

Scotland's in Britain

― Tom D., Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

BRITISH PUBLIC: "NEW JARVIS ALBUM IS RUBBISH"

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, so Jarvis and BDitto are recording their massively sucsessful duet then.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

... link please?

― Tom D., Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Jarvis Cocker "PLEAES PAY ATTENTION TO ME PLEASE PLEAS PLEAS WILL SUCK DICK FOR PRESS COVERAGE"

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

.... xpost

― Tom D., Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

How did Scottish people feel about Britpop?
18 WHEELER

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I just wonder how Scottish people felt about 'Britpop'

Scotland's in Britain
lol

― jim, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

PISCES: BRITPOP WAS NOT RUBBISH

http://images.quizilla.com/S/star-spangled-genocide/1036873452_youaremlir.gif

― pisces, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

do you think Madchester and the whole Tony Wilson 'wake up America, you're dead' fuelled excitement sweeping the UK in 1990 was actually a much more genuine and likeable statement of 'we're British and we're great' than the Britpop phase?
i do.

stevem (blueski) on Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:56 (4 years ago)

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full story ( by Steve Sutherland, from Melody Maker, 4th August 1990 ) here:

http://dewit.ca/archs/JD/New_York_Story.html

― pisces, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

The thread title will one day need updated to include Britpop II.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Trouble about Madchester was that, even though there was some good music, there was also a lot of crap around. Sure, The Stone Roses' debut will always remain a classic. And some great stuff from Charlatans too. On the other hand, Happy Mondays were very, very, very overrated.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

There was a HELL of a lot of crap with Britpop. And the countries music scene still hasn't recovered because of it judging by the state of The NME and these bands in the charts.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Shed Seven and Northern Uproar did at least have proper tunes with proper verses and choruses. As opposed to Happy Mondays with their "let's just shout something over the backing track" approach.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

oh geirpaws

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

I've said it before, it b'ain't the real Hongro.

― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

Unfair to lump Shed Seven in with that Northern Uproar rabble. I listened to 'Dolphin' earlier although it is labelled 'Dolphin '99' - not sure how much more 'advanced' it is from the original of five years before. I don't like that one they did about The Link tho.

― blueski, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've said it before, it b'ain't the real stevem.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

That can't be stevem

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 8 March 2007 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised even Geir liked Northern Uproar. I see Ocean Colour Scene have a new album due. |Those fuckers just wont go away.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 8 March 2007 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

I turned on the TV and an advert was using a Dodgy song.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like Northern Uproar. I just like Happy Mondays less.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Dodgy and Ocean Colour Scene were great though. Great in a 70s softrock way, and you can't get much greater than that, really.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Ocean Colour Scene were just an uncalled-for dirty night with Chris de Burgh and Golden Earring.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

Which would make Dodgy a handjob from Arthur Mullard and Paper Lace.

― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

Well, to me they sound a lot more like intelligent and musically sophisticated softrock such as ELO, 10cc, Klaatu or Supertramp.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 8 March 2007 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Paul Edward Wagemann OTM.

oh, fandangopaws!

― unfished business, Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

Ocean Colour Scene and Dodgy were awful (staying out for the summer was quite good, but Good Enough was the worst big britpop song of all)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Good Enough was the worst big britpop song of all

I kinda agree with this (even if it looks like a work of genius next to The Automatic), but it IS by far the worst track on Free Peace Sweet, which if viewed by the objective ears of an impressionable 10 year-old (i.e. ME aged 10) isn't actually all that bad! Many of the songs still hold up strongly today, such as If You're Thinking Of Me, UKRIP, Homegrown and One Of Those Rivers. In fact, it's an album whose second half is immeasurably superior to its first. I suspect most people judged it on Good Enough (ugh) or In A Room (meh).

― unfished business, Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Even a ~~stopped clock~~ total cock gives ~~the right time twice a day~~ otm... now & then :-p

― fandango, Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

I LIKE THE BOREDOMS TOO DONT HATE ME

― unfished business, Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

this is where posters like Geir are invaluable; they offer up an unbiased perspective to the sort of music that the average ILMer would shun out of hand.

― unfished business, Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

"unbiased"

― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

"invaluable"

― Tom D., Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

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