what happens if SOPA passes?

I despair, i really do

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/25316-record-giants-sue-irish/

actually the one thing that will definitely happen is that the MPAA/RIAA will line the campaign chests of any and all politicians who voted for it

but like, for no reason! this is not going to get them extra money! there's just nothing in this for them, and if they manage to shut down any of the mediafires of the world, they'll further alienate producers/engineers/musicians/filmmakers who make DAILY use of these services and are pretty accustomed to having a wide range of options for getting files to people who need to see/hear them

just wondering if i wasted my 20s learning a valuable skill like 'youtube surfing,' and if i should be furiously downloading any & all 90s g-funk records from hamburg-based gangster rap blogs now before the fire rains down from the heavens

or if someone will just invent a newer better napster

Ubuweb have been tweeting about how they'll surely go down if it passes. Which might not sound like much, but it's a large proportion of my cultural life down the drain, *and* a bunch of important documents I've used for research.

that's not what they're going for though. it's my understanding that they want to rewrite the basic technological infrastructure of the internet. it's like pointing at a house and saying "there's bad cabling that's permitting piracy under the floorboards and in the walls. we need to replace that cabling." to which anybody who is sane would reply "that would require destroying the whole house" to which SOPA supporters would reply "I don't care. there's bad cabling. we need to fix it."

it would basically make the internet in the US be similar to internet in China, i.e. censored at the discretion of the US government.

^^ what i'm really worried about

on the plus side it would limit access to gucci mane mixtapes, which is a good thing

nah, those are free anyway bro

are they doing this becuz i downloaded honkin' on bobo

i never had the guts to tell u i did it aero, i guess i was ashamed of myself

this country is turning into soviet russia, which incidentally is where bobo honks you

on the plus side it would limit access to gucci mane mixtapes, which is a good thing

― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:42 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're worse than hitler

but actually many gucci mixtapes were already removed from datpiff by his label

isnt the diff between us & china that corporations have to ask the government to censor us before we can be censored

rip Gucci mane mixtapes

focus dayo focus

dayo it's almost like whenever we get a glimpse at a thread that might not go straight into this particular ditch you have grab the steering wheel and swerve us into it

all roads lead to gucci mane

its very important to me that i be able to grab chicken talk from the cloud at any time for the forseeable future

im jus sayin

the only thing available for free download will be the dozen or so new albums by the weeknd coming out every year.

Free azealia banks tracks for some; miniature american flags for others

Ubuweb have been tweeting about how they'll surely go down if it passes. Which might not sound like much, but it's a large proportion of my cultural life down the drain, *and* a bunch of important documents I've used for research.

― emil.y, Friday, 13 January 2012 02:38 (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kind of curious about this -- seems like it would mean that the more flagrantly copyright-violating stuff would have to go, sure, but i don't know if that stuff is the same stuff as the stuff that constitutes its value as an archive. in an ideal world it would result in goldsmith spending more time on actual archival and less time tweeting that he's found a file with the complete lacan seminars in e-reader form

(but i'm not entirely sure in what form the thread SOPA entails would manifest -- i was under the impression that copyright owners could order stuff to be taken down already, and i'm not sure what extra weight SOPA adds to this threat)

http://ubu.com/images/beckett_header_sopa2.jpg

less web-based filesharing, people will figure out a new and clever way around that within like a week tho

exactly, the government is powerless against a country full of 14 year old nerds with ridiculous amounts of spare time

File-sharing will keep happening whatever they do. If they want to stop most of the file-sharing, they need to work together to exploit the medium that consumers have exploited in their absence.

This is a hell of a lot more about control imo – control of so many of the artists who would manage perfectly well without them.

Oh so what happens if SOPA passes? People will continue to nick stuff off the internet. If that fails, they'll carve new grooves into the internet and share through those. If that fails, they'll set up local gatherings and swap hard drives. I have soooo much more to say on this btw.

i mean, when Windows XP had that whole "YOUR COPY IS NOT GENUINE" thing that dicked over a bunch of people (regardless of whether or not their copy was legit) it took all of 6 hours before articles went online detailing how to get around it. and Microsoft probably had this technology in development for YEARS.

But I think the one thing that will happen, whether SOPA passes or not, is that a company with a clue about what drives people to consume (e.g. Apple) will devise a way for people to do so that's so easy, clean and affordable that 99% of people will use it rather than scrape the darknet for a decent copy xp

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Anything with any user-generated content is going to be potentially screwed, surely.
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/13/how-sopa-will-hurt-the-free-web-and-wikipedia/

It would give them power that they might not use, but of course that's not the point. They shouldn't have that power in the first place, especially when it's 100% about propping up a industry bloated by a century of physical media and regional distribution.

But I think the one thing that will happen, whether SOPA passes or not, is that a company with a clue about what drives people to consume (e.g. Apple) will devise a way for people to do so that's so easy, clean and affordable that 99% of people will use it rather than scrape the darknet for a decent copy xp

― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:27 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you say this, but in the CD era there was nothing to keep them from pushing the price point up to 20 bucks for a shitty CD

if this happens, I'm going to send every member of the MPAA/RIAA unique snapshots of my dick every day for one year.

they should come around in about a week, tops

A Sheffield student can be extradited to the US to face copyright infringement allegations, a judge has ruled.

Richard O'Dwyer, 23, set up the TVShack website which US authorities say hosts links to pirated copyrighted films and television programmes.

The Sheffield Hallam University student lost his case in a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

If found guilty in a US court he could face up to five years in jail.

Mr O'Dwyer's lawyer, Ben Cooper, indicated during the hearing that he would appeal against the ruling.

Mr Cooper said the website did not store copyright material itself and merely directed users to other sites, making it similar to Google.

He also argued that his client, who would be the first British citizen to be extradited for such an offence, was being used as a "guinea pig" for copyright law in the US.

But District Judge Quentin Purdy ruled the extradition could go ahead.

Mr O'Dwyer's mother, Julia O'Dwyer, from Chesterfield, has described the moves by US authorities as "beyond belief" and described Britain's extradition treaty with the United States as "rotten".

Speaking before the hearing, Mr O'Dwyer said he was "surprised" when police officers from the UK and America seized equipment at his home in South Yorkshire in November 2010.

However, no criminal charges followed from the UK authorities.

The case was brought by the US Customs and Border Protection agency, which claims that the TVShack.net website earned "over $230,000 in advertising revenue" before US authorities obtained a warrant and seized the domain name.

Ubuweb have been tweeting about how they'll surely go down if it passes. Which might not sound like much, but it's a large proportion of my cultural life down the drain, *and* a bunch of important documents I've used for research.

― emil.y, Friday, 13 January 2012 02:38 (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kind of curious about this -- seems like it would mean that the more flagrantly copyright-violating stuff would have to go, sure, but i don't know if that stuff is the same stuff as the stuff that constitutes its value as an archive. in an ideal world it would result in goldsmith spending more time on actual archival and less time tweeting that he's found a file with the complete lacan seminars in e-reader form

― thomp, Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

(but i'm not entirely sure in what form the thread SOPA entails would manifest -- i was under the impression that copyright owners could order stuff to be taken down already, and i'm not sure what extra weight SOPA adds to this threat)

― thomp, Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

right now under DMCA, copyright holders can ask for individual infringing things to be removed

under SOPA the way I understand it if there is one infringing file on a large site the entire website could get taken down w/o notice and replaced by

http://itlounge.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0f470__sopa-notice-470-75.jpg

LOL

A Sheffield student can be extradited to the US to face copyright infringement allegations, a judge has ruled.

This elicited a resounding "well DUH" from me.

Ha this is sure to be the PR boost that Big Business needs to keep the plebes from hurling large cans of tomato paste at CEOsk heads...

Can't they hurl large cans of lima beans? I'm not as partial to lima beans.

you say this, but in the CD era there was nothing to keep them from pushing the price point up to 20 bucks for a shitty CD

yeah but the market has collapsed now. totally different era & you can't compare imo

wouldn't make as big a difference, but i suppose all the digital retailers could start jacking up their prices big time if the illegal alternatives were more strongly enforced

eh, if this has any type of noticeable transformative effect (a massive "if"), it is going to do is make people switch from open free-for-all p2p filesharing to closed, private friends-only shared file repositories

true. i think it's kind of a shame that there seems to be this pushback of "ahhhh it PROBABLY won't make a difrerence, let's not even bother getting angry about this or figuring out if there's any way to stop it," though.

there is a missing "all" in my post but I think my point is still clear enough

I'm not getting angry about this because I don't think it is manifestly wrong? I mean, I am not holding delusions about artists magically making more money out of a more tightly-controlled Internet or anything, but on balance I've never read or seen anything to make me question the idea that unsanctioned free filesharing isn't stealing, and as a result I'm not super bothered when governments try to stick enforceable penalties on it.

Having said that, attempting to push the entire industry back to what it was in the 80s is regressive and not going to happen, but not because of any major uproar; it's because we now have a generation of first world Earth who think music is economically worthless and any market based solely upon it is pretty much doomed for the next 30 years regardless of what shape it takes.

I don't think its manifestly wrong either wrt to the filesharing issue, but SOPA will be way more far-reaching than just p2p file sharing of music and movies. Thats why I think some dude is otm.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED

FIRST AMENDMENT BILL HICKS WAS RIIGHT

The bill would make unauthorized streaming of copyrighted content a crime, with a maximum penalty of five years in prison for 10 such infringements within six months.

this is the part that is going to be entirely unenforceable IMO

It other words reacting to this with a shrug of the shoulders because "kids will find another way to share music and movies", is a really reductive read of what SOPA is all about and conveniently ignores a lot of the more frightening aspects of the proposed bill.

Hah I just did a search for one of my videos that was removed ("Count 2.6" by Pate) and found that nme.com had linked to it for some reason.

if that story about warp is true, i hope they get their fucking ass handed to them on a platter for that shit

Well its definitely true that Gonjasufi used a fuckload of barely tweaked samples without clearing or crediting any of them.

major labels are frequently guilty of publishing uncleared samples from indie labels / eastern pop; up until now, few minor labels are big enough to sue them. the new development is an internet environment that allows major labels to make the originals disappear. and they don't even mean to; it's an automated process -- based on the assumption that the major labels own whatever they say they do. so passing legislation that lets labels bypass the courts / government / any arbitration whatsoever seems like a really bad idea

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sopa-hollywood-gop-piracy-286648

not sure i buy the envisioned future of republicans as ip reformers, but it is sort of interesting

This is not about music but there's no better thread:

http://au.gamespot.com/news/ubisoft-drm-games-to-be-temporarily-unplayable-6349732

Publisher's antipiracy scheme will prevent customers from playing some of its Mac and PC games for an undetermined period of time during server transition starting February 7.

but the pirates wont have any downtime at all. Way to treat your paying customers.

Despite widespread opposition to SOPA from bloggers on the left, http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sopa-hollywood-gop-piracy-286648

not sure i buy the envisioned future of republicans as ip reformers, but it is sort of interesting

― lag∞n, Friday, February 3, 2012 12:36 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was fairly shocked when I read the 'for' and 'against' SOPA columns. For: Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Franken, etc. etc. etc. -- Against: Bachmann, Paul, Issa, etc -- tea party central. Not mainstream republicans like Boehner but all the radical right who are ready to drum up self-righteous anger at the drop of a hat. So the article you posted actually seems to have it right: MPAA assumed Republican support and spent all their time courting / buying off the Democrats, and by the time they started publically reprimanding Democrats for not staying bought off, it had actually become a full on political win for the right

yeah ur right, i guess what i was taking issue w/is the idea that this is the beginning of a trend, cause you know theres nothing republicans love more than big business and the status quo

but i would love to be proven wrong!

Wow @ that Ubisoft thing, thats completely fucked.

it's perfect really

yeah ur right, i guess what i was taking issue w/is the idea that this is the beginning of a trend, cause you know theres nothing republicans love more than big business and the status quo

― lag∞n, Friday, February 3, 2012 8:46 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all the companies with internet-realist business models are anti-SOPA. the Republicans are still big business; but they're seeing a new status quo rising up and they're betting on the teams that are clearly going to win

There, now you've made Cary Sherman cry, you horrible people:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/opinion/what-wikipedia-wont-tell-you.html

As it happens, the television networks that actively supported SOPA and PIPA didn’t take advantage of their broadcast credibility to press their case. That’s partly because “old media” draws a line between “news” and “editorial.” Apparently, Wikipedia and Google don’t recognize the ethical boundary between the neutral reporting of information and the presentation of editorial opinion as fact.

“old media” draws a line between “news” and “editorial.”
“old media” draws a line between “news” and “editorial.”
“old media” draws a line between “news” and “editorial.”
“old media” draws a line between “news” and “editorial.”
“old media” draws a line between “news” and “editorial.”
“old media” draws a line between “news” and “editorial.”

The hyperbolic mistruths, presented on the home pages of some of the world’s most popular Web sites, amounted to an abuse of trust and a misuse of power.

lmfao at "broadcast credibility"

fileserve has quietly gone back up, it seems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0n09wyQwWk

what a creep

I just love the fact that he actually existed and lived his life

I think it would make an amazing movie

Despite widespread opposition to SOPA from bloggers on the left, http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sopa-hollywood-gop-piracy-286648

not sure i buy the envisioned future of republicans as ip reformers, but it is sort of interesting

― lag∞n, Friday, February 3, 2012 12:36 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was fairly shocked when I read the 'for' and 'against' SOPA columns. For: Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Franken, etc. etc. etc. -- Against: Bachmann, Paul, Issa, etc -- tea party central. Not mainstream republicans like Boehner but all the radical right who are ready to drum up self-righteous anger at the drop of a hat. So the article you posted actually seems to have it right: MPAA assumed Republican support and spent all their time courting / buying off the Democrats, and by the time they started publically reprimanding Democrats for not staying bought off, it had actually become a full on political win for the right

― Milton Parker, Friday, February 3, 2012 12:41 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

this is kind of fascinating. i'm imagining a future republican party that's dominated by "real conservative" values of the sort that nonreligious conservatives love to tout: personal freedom, free enterprise, free internets, darwinian competition in all things, no handouts. opposed to this is a democratic party that advocates limited freedoms and federal oversight/assistance in the name of social justice and "decency", and which counts on the altruistic sympathies of religious leaders.

iatee otm

this is kind of fascinating. i'm imagining a future republican party that's dominated by "real conservative" values of the sort that nonreligious conservatives love to tout: personal freedom, free enterprise, free internets, darwinian competition in all things, no handouts. opposed to this is a democratic party that advocates limited freedoms and federal oversight/assistance in the name of social justice and "decency", and which counts on the altruistic sympathies of religious leaders.

― Little GTFO (contenderizer),

I believe that is the correct prediction for how the Third American Party System is going to be, just a matter of time for it to all play out. IMO we are in the death throes of the Second Party System.

i.e. the two main parties will basically be Libertarian-lite and Christian Democrat.

blech sorry, I didn't realize we were already up to the Fourth Party System so disregard my terminology... fucking poli-sci...

i.e. the two main parties will basically be Libertarian-lite and Christian Democrat.

Were it so? In the Anglo-American two party system we still adhere to, the two poles must contain multitudes. The multitudes are shifting generationally but should I live another forty years I would love to see the attritional demise of the 'conservative' wing of the Right (they will be outnumbered ethnically for one thing) but I don't even pray that there will be a Christian Democrat party of any interest. The libertarians and Xtiansists have tried to square the circle w/the Gospel and Mammonism for long enough but it cannot last.

well you have to take into account that I don't know what I'm talking about but giving my opinions nonetheless...

Do we have an ACTA thread?

http://hagenspan.com/NYMHall/players/A/ManAct.jpg

So as of today, RIP my most used shared-content site of the last half-year or so, library.nu. Also RIP ifile.it. Supposedly both casualties of an operation by a German association of publishers.

Stuff going down in the UK too Users warned of 10 years in jail as RnBXclusive.com shut down by police

my man Kirby just finished part 4 of Everything Is A Remix and it's the best one yet

http://gizmodo.com/5885644/everything-thats-wrong-with-patent-and-copyright-laws-in-one-brilliant-video

thinking of the Anti-SOPA contingent in the Tea Party; when Kirby pulls up an image of the aged Copyright Act of 1790, it really does strike me how this issue should go right across both party lines

Apparently, Anonymous will try to shut the whole internet down on March 31st.

http://pastebin.com/XZ3EGsbc

Anonymous is getting sloppy - its pretty obvious to me a better date would be the Ides of March rather than a date with no symbolic significance.

on a weekend? c'moooooonnnn

Angus Batey on Mr. Dotcom:

http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.uk/features/auf-wiedersehen-prat-kim-dotcom-interview.html

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/02/26/2141246/youtube-identifies-birdsong-as-copyrighted-music

seeing a lot more of these lately

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