official hip-hop litmus test: hip-hop's greatest year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlBANShELSU

classic

deej, here's the thing, and I hate to actually spell this out because its been amazing watching you flop around like a fish.

No one is denying Max B is popular (he is!) or influential (he is!). The funny thing is that you always bring to ILX this myopia about the things you like, that you elevate cult stuff to sea level and then blame everyone else for not seeing the world that way. It's honestly like if someone said, "1991 was a great year" and you said "Yeah man, Talk Talk, Death, Sonny Sharrock, Slowdive..."

Those albums are all great and important and popular and wildly influential in their world, but the dude was PROBABLY trying to have a convo with you about like Nevermind and Low End Theory.

I mean, reducing 2009 to

boosie az jacka quik & kurupt max b z-ro UGK "swag surfin" playaz circle

― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Monday, January 9, 2012 4:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is like a deej parody of deej man

idk I think Blaqkout works aiite as Nevermind or LET in this analogy

truth be told if someone listed eight albums to prove 91 was great I'd probably expect Laughing Stock to be one of them

Blaqkout was definitely the Nevermind of 2009, you got me!

I'm guessing you're ignoring the Low End Theory part of my analogy bcz you want to rely solely on the grunge/hip hop discrepancy to make me look like a moron instead of explaining why Blaqkout--ILX's #6 album of 2009--wasn't a huge, game-changing album

lol @ all of this circular arguments

This album that didn't even scan like 10k and sounds like nothing on earth def "changed the game" and not the huge Flo Rida album that influenced how every mainstream rap song sounded for the next three years

I mean maybe the difference dudes is that 88/93 ppl like Public Enemy, Run DMC, Dre, Snoop, Wutang, NwA, Fresh Prince and Slick Rick were THE MOST FAMOUS RAPPERS IN THE WORLD in their time and all your arguments are about really good/popular cult rap and not about The Jay/Em/Wayne axis that actually is the big story here.

But what do I know, Max B would be headlining Madison Square Garden if he wasnt in jail right now

Well man deej wasn't saying that 2009 was 89/93-style next level epoxhal; he was just responding to hoy hoy's comment that it was a bad year by saying it was a great year...

well, it WAS a great year for the deej/whiney/goon axises of hip-hop; but not exactly for hip-hop in general, if you smell me....

copy dat; I'm 99% sure that my impression of Blaqkout as game-changing and genre-defining was gleaned from eavesdropping on goons

s'cool, its a life-changing record in goon territory, self included.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2009/04/i-like-turtles-kid.jpg

"i like max b"

maybe in the last 10-15 years the biggest rap acts have become less interesting to real rap-heads the same way the biggest rock acts have become less interesting to real rock-heads

which is a dull way of saying somewhere in the 80s or 90s critical discourse and popular discourse parted company big time across most genres of popular music

Yeah, well I dont think it would be out of the question to say that 2011, the year of Hot Chelle Rae/Foster The People/Young The Giant/Cage The Elephant was a shitty terrible year for rock music, even though like, yes, Fucked Up and Wild Flag totally made records

no, it wouldn't be out of the question to say that. but i think "a great year" for a genre is maybe more contentious the closer you are to the year in question or just because everything is so splintered and niche now

I mean, you're 100% right. And one big difference is that in 1988 you could totally see Public Enemy and NWA as breakouts that represented hip-hop nation or w/e. I mean, give 10 years for the splinters to shake out into a narrative. Let's visit this thread in 2019 and see if "2009 was the year Max Bigga released his classic mixtapes" is a big story in hip-hop the same way that Neutral Milk Hotel/Talk Talk/Wrens etc were slowburners for the indie narrative

i mean, i highly fucking doubt it, but put this in the time capsule and prive me wrong.

i don't have a pony in the Max B argument tbh :)

wtf happened to this thread

what always happens to these threads

it smells like a horse exploded in here

XD

I leave a horse head in your thread.

thread is a lot more enjoyable if you imagine each poster crying while they type their stinging riposte

Imo whiney doesn't realize how popular max is

and absolutely nobody besides you cares

its what was being discussed just above

hip-hop that is popular vs. popular with hip-hop audience are difft things & i think his perception in this matter is distorted

no i mean nobody cares that you think whiney's wrong. it's like making a point to post that it's windy in chicago at the moment. (xpost)

omg i thought this had died

no jon, we have important work to do. we need to quantify HOW popular max b is and identifying the CORRECT metrics to do so. no sleep until that goal is achieved.

I admitted Max B was popular like 10 posts up, but that's not good enough

not enough statistical evidence relating to your world of young people, iirc

totally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UmyhqmiFBQ

whiney changing the comparison to NWA from Original Concept is telling

i never said Max B was like NWA, idiot

I mean, reducing 2009 to

boosie az jacka quik & kurupt max b z-ro UGK "swag surfin" playaz circle
― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Monday, January 9, 2012 4:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is like a deej parody of deej man

― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:17 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i didn't 'reduce' it to those, those were just examples of why the year didnt suck u disingenuous doofus

uh thats why the year didn't suck for DEEJ.

the rest of the universe beyond you and your completely fabricated world of young people was suffering through this

EMINEM - Relapse : 1,533,184
BLACK EYED PEAS - The E.N.D. : 1,440,895
JAY-Z - The Blueprint 3 : 1,337,192
RICK ROSS - Deeper Than Rap : 401,103
JADAKISS - The Last Kiss : 342,132
FABOLOUS - Loso's Way : 276,419
DRAKE - So Far Gone : 257,579
LONELY ISLAND - Incredibad : 246,526
FLO RIDA - R.O.O.T.S. : 241,030
50 Cent - Before I Self Destruct : 227,027
KID CUDI - Man On The Moon : 215,767
UGK - UGK 4 Life : 187,957
ASHER ROTH - Asleep In The Bread Aisle : 178,248
METHOD MAN & REDMAN - Blackout! 2 : 160,375
NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - Notorious OST : 155,506
TWISTA - Category F5 : 147,220
WISIN & YANDEL - La Revolucion : 146,750
RAEKWON - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...Pt. 2 : 139,088
BUSTA RHYMES - Back On My B.S. : 135,887
GORILLA ZOE - Don't Feed Da Animals : 134,660
PITBULL - Rebelution : 126,970
SLIM THUG - Boss Of All Bosses : 120,797
LIL BOOSIE - Superbad: The Return Of Boosie : 112,918
MOS DEF - The Ecstatic : 112,574
CAM'RON - Crime Pays : 103,337
JIM JONES - Pray IV Reign : 87,843
SEAN PAUL - Imperial Blaze : 74,354
BOW WOW - New Jack City Pt. 2 : 63,032
TECH N9NE - K.O.D. : 54,876

those artists are all abt the convergence of 'made creatively great music' and 'made reasonably popular music' -- like, none of these dudes are will.i.am, but i don't care about that kind of "hip-hop" anyway. but none of those artists are actually niche in the way that idk even Danny Brown is.

and whiney, you listed Lil Boosie ....

those artists are all abt the convergence of 'made creatively great music' and 'made reasonably popular music'

every single year since the beginning of time has good music that fits into this. but thank you so much for telling us that "swag surfin" made 2009 extra special 4 u

and those artists i listed (aside from like AZ who is obviously niche, but i was talking more jacka/max/boosie/gucci) were all in the midst of UGK-type slow burn popular but below-the-media-radar careers.

re: Boosie

Wow, you're right, the year was defined by it's 23rd best selling artist. You know who was also probably around the 23rd best selling artist of a given year?: ORIGINAL CONCEPT

"low burn popular but below-the-media-radar careers"

really capturing the zeitgeist with this one

that not-at-all reminds me of Fucked Up and Thee Oh Sees

in conclusion, 1988 is hip-hop's greatest year