official hip-hop litmus test: hip-hop's greatest year

if you say so dude

oh shit i also like music other than hiphop. ;_;

saying max b has songs that are widely considered classics by rap fans is a 'stupid comment'?

― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 10:02 (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, yes. name one that goons can agree on and i'll take it back. oh my bad, he had influence on french montana.

i don't know why i bother contributing here when dudes are so quick to shit on & condescend as if i don't know what i'm talking about. its not like i'm not bringing anything to the table here but if you could at least stop acting like i'm just making this shit up to ... i don't even know what you think my possible motivation could be. it's not like there aren't other outlets. but i like shooting the shit w/ a good % of the people here when i'm not being jumped on for daring to suggest that max b was an important figure in hip-hop or w/e

well, yes. name one that goons can agree on and i'll take it back. oh my bad, he had influence on french montana.

― Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:04 AM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what are you basing your knowledge of this subject on? the fact that you think al is better at zinging than i am?

the fact that you think al is better at zinging than i am?

this is basically all i came back in the thread to say! you said some stupid shit, whiney and al zinged the shit out of you, i read, i lold, you jumped down my neck.

Sutrarama hasn’t got any charts yet

what are you basing your knowledge of this subject on?

my own following of hiphop over the past ten years? i know i may have listened to some other genres during that time so...

at what point did whiney 'mike tyson' totally disprove my argument that max b's career has had an impact that more than rivals the impact of original concept, that had me staggering on the floor looking foolish? was it when he ran to wikipedia to back up his understanding of max's catalog? when he tried to use max's 40k twitter followers to imply that this had some kind of correlation with musical impact?

this is basically all i came back in the thread to say! you said some stupid shit, whiney and al zinged the shit out of you, i read, i lold, you jumped down my neck.

― Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:07 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're wrong about max b -- congratulations on saying stupid shit

tbh what other yardstick are you going to use in 2012 other than twitter followers and datpiff listens? actual record sales?

yardstick of what? he's comparing it to a group that doesn't even have a twitter account, and whose creative prime existed prior to twitter

how much hiphop fans care about him today?

never mind that twitter followers doesnt actually correlate to, you know, musical impact? i'm sure flo rida has lots of twitter followers too but no one here has argued his impact on hip hop is particularly large. it was a terrible & pointless tangent

so because 40,000 people follow a 3-year imprisoned rapper it means no one cares about him? he has 10,000 more followers than aesop rock, a rapper with a career that is twice as long & involved no stints in prison? idk buddy

seems like a p ridiculous measure of anything at all to me but then, i'm staggering around the boxing ring after that knockout punch

ok i concede that point. but can a song be a classic if it was only heard by only 50,000 people around the world? Shouldn't a classic be something that makes everyone want to pass it on and claim it as their own and pass it on etc.? Him and Gucci started out with tiny fanbases and one had crazy anthems that everyone rallied around even when he was in jail, and the other... had decent mixtapes that most people forgot to download and went to jail.

http://www.datpiff.com/mixtapes-search.php?criteria=max+b&x=0&y=0
look at the download numbers man

most of those numbers are under 100k? doesnt make me think ppl are v. enthusiastic for something free by max b.

i don't really get where you're getting this perception that people forgot to download his 'decent' tapes but its not rlly an accurate perception ime

anyway this conversation is ridiculous, im sorry i bought up how i thought 2009 was a bad year. next time i wont say my opinions.

i mean, in case you weren't aware, we're comparing his impact w/ original concept, which is an oranges-apples comparison anyway, but having 'only' a couple mixtapes that crest 100,000 downloads on one of several sites that offer those tapes is pretty impressive. they even award it a little datpiff trophy, lol

not that it's a popularity contest anyway, b/c i'm sure tyga & flo rida sell more, but neither has had the kind of creative impact we're talking about, which is why running to statistics like this is a largely pointless exercise. nonetheless hes more popular than you think he is

im aware of how mixtape websites work. jesus, no need to be so fucking condescending.

cant tell if u are being sarcastic now ;_;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pje34fUgLQ

should really not stay up on ilx when im on a deadline :-/ this place is so easy to procrastinate on

max b is one of the most influential hip hop artists of recent years c'mon

'max b has classic songs hiphop fans all love'

every rap fan i know irl who i've put onto max b has gone onto love him so i can't disagree with this statement. i wish i could go back and discover max b again srsly it was such a good few months.

Public Domain 2 is so so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlBANShELSU

classic

deej, here's the thing, and I hate to actually spell this out because its been amazing watching you flop around like a fish.

No one is denying Max B is popular (he is!) or influential (he is!). The funny thing is that you always bring to ILX this myopia about the things you like, that you elevate cult stuff to sea level and then blame everyone else for not seeing the world that way. It's honestly like if someone said, "1991 was a great year" and you said "Yeah man, Talk Talk, Death, Sonny Sharrock, Slowdive..."

Those albums are all great and important and popular and wildly influential in their world, but the dude was PROBABLY trying to have a convo with you about like Nevermind and Low End Theory.

I mean, reducing 2009 to

boosie az jacka quik & kurupt max b z-ro UGK "swag surfin" playaz circle

― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Monday, January 9, 2012 4:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is like a deej parody of deej man

idk I think Blaqkout works aiite as Nevermind or LET in this analogy

truth be told if someone listed eight albums to prove 91 was great I'd probably expect Laughing Stock to be one of them

Blaqkout was definitely the Nevermind of 2009, you got me!

I'm guessing you're ignoring the Low End Theory part of my analogy bcz you want to rely solely on the grunge/hip hop discrepancy to make me look like a moron instead of explaining why Blaqkout--ILX's #6 album of 2009--wasn't a huge, game-changing album

lol @ all of this circular arguments

This album that didn't even scan like 10k and sounds like nothing on earth def "changed the game" and not the huge Flo Rida album that influenced how every mainstream rap song sounded for the next three years

I mean maybe the difference dudes is that 88/93 ppl like Public Enemy, Run DMC, Dre, Snoop, Wutang, NwA, Fresh Prince and Slick Rick were THE MOST FAMOUS RAPPERS IN THE WORLD in their time and all your arguments are about really good/popular cult rap and not about The Jay/Em/Wayne axis that actually is the big story here.

But what do I know, Max B would be headlining Madison Square Garden if he wasnt in jail right now

Well man deej wasn't saying that 2009 was 89/93-style next level epoxhal; he was just responding to hoy hoy's comment that it was a bad year by saying it was a great year...

well, it WAS a great year for the deej/whiney/goon axises of hip-hop; but not exactly for hip-hop in general, if you smell me....

copy dat; I'm 99% sure that my impression of Blaqkout as game-changing and genre-defining was gleaned from eavesdropping on goons

s'cool, its a life-changing record in goon territory, self included.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2009/04/i-like-turtles-kid.jpg

"i like max b"

maybe in the last 10-15 years the biggest rap acts have become less interesting to real rap-heads the same way the biggest rock acts have become less interesting to real rock-heads

which is a dull way of saying somewhere in the 80s or 90s critical discourse and popular discourse parted company big time across most genres of popular music

Yeah, well I dont think it would be out of the question to say that 2011, the year of Hot Chelle Rae/Foster The People/Young The Giant/Cage The Elephant was a shitty terrible year for rock music, even though like, yes, Fucked Up and Wild Flag totally made records

no, it wouldn't be out of the question to say that. but i think "a great year" for a genre is maybe more contentious the closer you are to the year in question or just because everything is so splintered and niche now

I mean, you're 100% right. And one big difference is that in 1988 you could totally see Public Enemy and NWA as breakouts that represented hip-hop nation or w/e. I mean, give 10 years for the splinters to shake out into a narrative. Let's visit this thread in 2019 and see if "2009 was the year Max Bigga released his classic mixtapes" is a big story in hip-hop the same way that Neutral Milk Hotel/Talk Talk/Wrens etc were slowburners for the indie narrative

i mean, i highly fucking doubt it, but put this in the time capsule and prive me wrong.

i don't have a pony in the Max B argument tbh :)