Do we like the Scissor Sisters?

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whether you like it or not doesn't matter, the point is it fits into disco/house sets just fine, I can't help but feel the baggage the Scissor Sisters image and it being a Pink Floyd song bring are muddying the waters here.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

whether you like it or not doesn't matter

i didn't see the thread title reading "do we like the scissor sisters? (apart from stelfox and carlin because their opinions really don't matter)"

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant in the context of the argument on the thread here, I am pointing out that it is a disco/house record, regardless of peoples feelings on it one way or another.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

surely that should be 'rogering the waters', ahahahaha

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

oh it's a disco record yes, but a disco version of a terrible song, so it's really horrible. On the focus group that never was I gave it 0+joker

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

At this point, is there anything more boring than people complaining that stuff from _The Wall_ is the worst music ever? (hyperbole acknowledged)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Their version of FF's 'Take Me Out' is one of the worst things I have ever heard. It should be enough to convince anyone that the Scissor Sisters are very, very bad indeed.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Although to be fair the FF cover sounds nothing at all like anything else they've ever done...it's essentially a novelty.

― nameom (nameom), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry I'm boring you Dan, but I honestly really don't like it. (I do like some Pink Floyd mind you, just not that song, it always annoyed me - but then so do a lot of things right now)

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

It's okay, I'm a benevolent narcissist.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

and quite fancy too.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Fancy benevolent narcissism... that sounds like The Scissor Sisters' raison d'etre!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

WUV (of self)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Duh everybody of course "Comfortably Numb" is a disco track (italo disco really, but whatever); ironically the rock-based ATOC Dub is much better (the chorus of the original slips into Idol crap audition realms a bit).

The second half of this record is much better than the first, apart from "Take Your Mama Out" which is fantastic.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Are there two completely different versions of this album? I've seen wildly different tracklistings/playlists for some reason.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 05:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I realize I said this on my blog a while back (not that any of you necessarily care), but I didn't like Ben Folds when he was straight. The camp frission would seem to be something I'd like (I usually do), but this time it generates a pretty big meh. Maybe I'll come around in six months or something, though.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 16 September 2004 05:58 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck, daily backup ate my post. um I really like the 2002 version of "Filthy/Gorgeous", sort've like something Sylvester might have done if he'd lived a few years longer & great bassline & that women's spoken-word bit & appropriate title; the couple of times I've seen the "Take Your Mama Out" video it seems sweet+sad in a way I can't recall many examples of in chart rock recently (tho r&b has that covered usually).

― etc, Thursday, 16 September 2004 06:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Covering Pink Floyd in the style of the late '70s Bee Gees. Didn't the Scissor Sisters get this idea off an old Kenny Everett sketch?

Nothing that the Scissor Sisters have done comes even remotely close to the genius of "Snot Rap."

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Thursday, 16 September 2004 06:52 (nineteen years ago) link

did you used to present top of the pops?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:24 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: Are there two completely different versions of this album? I've seen wildly different tracklistings/playlists for some reason.

Yes... there's an unreleased demo version from, erm, late 2002 I think, and the official studio version from this year. The demo versions of "Music Is The Victim" and "Filthy/Gorgeous" are definitely worth hearing (extra spoken-word passages in both, which should have been retained); the demo of "Return To Oz" isn't.

Some of the more whimsical/pervy/electronic tracks on the demo version have never been officially released: seek in particular "Electrobix", "Step Aside For The Man", "Backwoods Discotheque" (not the version which came out as a UK B-side), "Monkey Baby".

Donnie Smith, yr breakin my heart...

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"Backwoods Disco" is great.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 September 2004 09:02 (nineteen years ago) link

he couldn't if he tried

xost

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 09:02 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a load of old verbals that don't make sense. I get it off the wall at the local gents.

― Sid Snot, Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Baby, you're not that kind.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

this is the Sizziziz next single, I am pretty certain

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

babydaddy from the scizzors is a jbz fan. I tried to get them as support on the european tour (playing 1000 capacity venues). it almost happened...

― nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost)

Not their cover of "Big Six" by Judge Dread, then.

"Little Miss Muffet, sat on her tuffet, her knickers all tattered and torn/It wasn't a spider who sat down beside her/It was Little Boy Blue with the horn," uh huh uh huh, etc.

― Sid Snot, Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

did this band scrub the nu-metal guitar approach? Because when I saw them like 2 years ago that was one of the main things about their sound that annoyed me.

That sounds really really brilliant!!!!!!!! Perhaps they ought to bring them back!!!!!

Mind you, if they did, some of folks here would still be wittering on about how they're just a Big Camp Gay Disco Band!!!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The Scissor Sisters would greatly benefit from a welcome improv/glitch input. Perhaps they should get Jim O'Rourke to produce them.

― Alice Rage, Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, in that case I think I have the demo version and not the official one! I'll double check on that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Disappointingly, apparently Jake hates "Someone To Touch (How Many Times)" so no chance of it ever surfacing properly.

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I always loved 'Bicycling With The Devil', it's like so stern and melodramatic and it's about not having an asshole.

I thought the b-side version of Backwoods was the same as the one on the demo?

― Michael Philip Philip Philip Annoyman (Ferg), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the "Comfortably Numb" cover was fun but I basically agree with what Tracer said about the originals being pretty unmemorable. I'm not a big Elton John fan though, so musically this isn't my cup of tea. As far as crazy-ass camp whatever goes, I prefer Junior Senior and Electric Six by far (they're more aggro).

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Junior Senior? Christ.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, if ever there was an act that deserved gigantic piles of vitriol and scorn, it's Junior Senior.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

knock yourself out, nu-Alex.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only heard two songs by them but they basically seem to have all of the irritating, horrifying traits that Kate was attributing to The Scissor Sisters; I've never understood why anyone would like them and sort of assumed you had to be on coke to understand.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

that's because you've only heard two songs you big silly

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Granted. They were the singles that everyone was going gaga over, though, and usually if someone cannot win me over with the singles they can't win me over with the album tracks (although they might win me over with the remixes).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan otm about Junior Senior. They were bloody annoying.

I agree with Tim's analysis of the Scissor Sisters as being very chameleonic, it seems that a lot of people are acsribing sets of values to them which are very much applicable to some of their songs, but not to most of their songs.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: I thought the b-side version of Backwoods was the same as the one on the demo?

They're completely different in every way, except for a few shared lyrics (the "in the sweat set met gettin' freaky with the hot tub jets..." section). The B-side version is called "Backwoods Part II". The demo version is infinitely better.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think Dan would like Junior Senior truth be told. i find a lot of their tracks have a great 'harking back to 50s/60s in a good way' vibe ala The Avalanches i guess). It's true also that not all Scissor Sisters tracks have the same values/influences but some are more common, even dominant, than others (Reg bleedin Dwight all over the shop, bit of Chicago/Italo disco).

is 'Mary' really the next single? i like Shears voice on that.

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

hate Junior Senior.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I assumed it was the demo 'Backwoods' one I had. It's 3:43 in length, and has that "I like playin' cards but you mothafuckas best not be playin' poker with my asshole!" sample in the middle. The one on the UK B-side is 4:25. But I thought they were both called 'Backwoods Part ii' - is that wrong? Other people on the web seem to refer to the demo one by that name too.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

(as you all know!)

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mary" is the next single? Jesus, their choice of singles is abysmal... apart from "Laura", I haven't really cared for any of them even though I like the album a lot.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I love "Mary".

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The big Junior Senior song doesn't sound like ANYTHING else on the rest of the album, it even has a different singer!! Of course Ronan probably likes the rest of the album even less because none of the rest of it sounds like disco.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Thursday, 16 September 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Much as I love "Mary", I agree that there have been some weird singles choices. After "Comfortably Numb", I'd have gone for "Music Is The Victim" and "Filthy/Gorgeous", both of which fairly SCREAM "hit single".

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 17 September 2004 07:55 (nineteen years ago) link

If they're going to release a slow one, "It Can't Come Quickly Enough" would have seemed obvious, anyway. Anyway, slow ones as singles don't work. "Music Is The Victim" - a new radio edit with Ana's talkie bit reinstated - should have been IT.

It's a bloody shame some of those old demos are gathering dust when something as dull as "Borrowed Time" gets released as a B-side. (Or is it just me who doesn't like that one?)

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 17 September 2004 08:11 (nineteen years ago) link

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