The day the POLL went away: NIN's The Fragile

"Another Version of the Truth"?

also lol @ me for calling "Zero Sum" "Zeros and Ones", hi dere long dormant Jesus Jones fandom

Year Zero is the worst NIN album imo, all the later ones sound way better, especially The Slip

yeah i'd probably agree, but some of the year zero stuff was still decent live

Year Zero is my favourite post-Fragile album! With Teeth sounds to me like a not massively successful attempt to become more of a straight-up rock act, Ghosts I find a bit impenetrable, and the Slip is a re-hash of old ideas, and easily the most boringly produced of his albums. There is decent music to be found on all three, mind.

this album's arrival in the marketplace is the definition of "too much too late." i'd probably enjoy it a lot if i revisited it now but all but the biggest NIN diehards found it hard to give a damn at the time.

this is exactly how I felt...grew up listening to PHM and Downward Spiral but the idea of a massive new NIN double-CD felt anachronistic by fall 99. Then again if the album kicked ass, which it doesn't, things may have turned out differently.

tbf Melon Collie pretty much turned out to be the last gasp of the whole 'ambitious double album as ultimate artistic statement and commercial peak of a megaselling rock band' phenomenon, if NIN had been more timely with a follow-up they might have the momentum to be part of that club

plus Mellon Collie has way more good songs than The Fragile.

just realized the other day that "la mer" and "into the void" sort of feature the same melodic motif.

i listened to this record all the time when it came out and this fact did not occur to me at all

plus Mellon Collie has way more good songs than The Fragile.

I like Mellon Collie a lot and I don't think this is at all true

just realized the other day that "la mer" and "into the void" sort of feature the same melodic motif.

As do "The Frail" and the chorus of "The Fragile".

http://www.avclub.com/articles/trent-reznor-made-altrocks-last-stand-with-the-fra,82235/

Alright I'm finally gonna listen to it. On less than top-notch headphones.

xpost -- It's like they wrote the thoughts in your head (including hating "Starfuckers")

This album is mostly awesome, so much so that it barely needs anyone to come to its defense.

Huh, that piece missed noted Reznor's descent into drugs. When next we saw our hero, he was clean, sober and Hulk-huge.

It's like they wrote the thoughts in your head (including hating "Starfuckers")

haha basically

"this works best as a contiguous piece" - check
"by the time this was released, it was out of fashion" - check
"'Starfuckers Inc' is super dumb" - check

xp: he was also back to distilling his angst into digestible 4 minute nuggets as opposed to thematically-linked double albums, which I think plays a lot into NIN's modern rock resurgence

My 39-minute edit, contiguous with SPIN magazine thread:

Just Like You Imagined
The Day The World Went Away
The Wretched
We're In This Together
Even Deeper
Please
The Big Come Down
La Mer

I made a 10 track edit I'm quite pleased with a while ago (cheating slightly with track 2):

La Mer
The Day the World Went Away (Still)
We're in this Together
The Fragile
Just Like You Imagined
Even Deeper
Into the Void
I'm Looking Forward to Joining You
The Big Come Down
The Great Below

you can't have La Mer AND Into The Void

pfft, maybe you can

There's a lot of room between them!

I remember Stylus doing a single-disc edit but really 10 tracks or fewer if you're taking it seriously

Obviously I like your one because you've chosen most of the tracks I've chosen

Thanks, yours is cool too - though I'm not that big on Please.

The main trouble with listening to an edit is some of the opening segues sound really jarring in isolation.

Please is in only because I needed to flesh out the relative perfection of the other 7 tracks and because of the chord-change into the chorus

Definitely some of his prettiest moments on this album; the Frail and the coda of We're in This Together are just lush.

he did "the big come down" at the show i saw the other night, was not expecting my favorite fragile deep cut in a nin setlist in 2013

wow chap's 10 track reduction is probably perfect

Cheers!

to make it twelve tracks i'd probably drop in "the mark has been made" and "underneath it all"

Yeah good choices. I'm a little sad to lose The Frail/The Wretched as well.

there's no way I could cut The frail/The wretched

lj how would you assess the lyrics of this album

balladic

more in terms of value judgments than structure

there are some beautiful moments on this album in terms of SONICS
i am going to get high drink some burgundy and play it loud one of these days

the big come down = don't give this track that title

the lyrics on this album work surprisingly well for the puerile sloganeering that they are

directness of lyric to match directness of the music perhaps although the latter has more subtlety

see with the downward spiral i would use that same argument but that album had a reassuring kind of acrid, devitalized sort of feel that kept it in the lineage of various industrial predecessors but the fragile is much more refined and 'full' sort of sound probably courtesy of whatever state of the art late 90s digital production

i revisited this album for the first time in ages recently. and even now, i'm no closer to remembering anything but "We're In This Together" in any particular detail.

Even Deeper has that direct chorus, but it also has some jazzy touches unthinkable in The Downward Spiral. I guess the lyrics, while still direct, are less confrontational, more reflective this time out.

Apart from that shitty Starfuckers song

there's no way I could cut The frail/The wretched

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 October 2013 03:52 (Yesterday) Permalink

if it had been released on either a pre-/post- Fragile EP with maybe some of these castoffs [excluding starfuckers], i don't see why not.

lawl i was trying to get you to riff on starfuckers inc

still has some nice chunky rock sounds

I like the 'You're So Vain' middle eight in Starfuckers.

the single version of starfuckers ends with a live Kiss sample which totally makes the song IMO

or rather the version included on the "day the world went away" single

This... might be my favorite NIN album? At least (Left) is a strong contender; we'll see how I feel once I get to (Right)

"We're In This Together" is almost definitely my favorite NIN single at this point.

i also wouldn't cut "the mark has been made"... or any of the instrumentals period

otm

i also wouldn't cut "the mark has been made"... or any of the instrumentals period

So your edit would be...everything but "Starfuckers"? Or would you keep that in too, just for the sake of flow?

i wouldn't edit this record!!!! as i've already stated

ivy is correct & you are all craven

No, Starfuckers needs to go

eat yr spinach

I will happily eat spinach but I will not eat diarrhea

lol

new board description

in case anyone is new here, yes, this is the guy you know from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles soundtrack.("putting the NIN in Ninja Turtles")

https://www.stereogum.com/2225186/trent-reznor-and-atticus-ross-composing-terrifying-score-for-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-movie/news/

suggest ban

the score for that movie slaps, though

I enjoy the moody bits too, and never bother with making my own edits of albums anyway, but the thing that always strikes me about The Fragile when I listen to it is how you could construct a tight album from its pop moments that sounds more like Pretty Hate Machine 2 than anything else Trent ever actually did.

Think I noted on a different thread that Leopold Ross, who used to collaborate more with his brother, did the score to that Godzilla TV show (among other things), and it sounded so much like Atticus and Trent that 1) it verged on parody and 2) it kind of made me wonder what Trent brought to his scores with Atticus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KI6S_Eq7pU

huh, I somehow had no idea that was Atticus's brother. I guess my deep NIN fandom dropped off at some point in the last, uh, 25 years

i'll probably try to get a poll up and running in the next week or two

:D

i'm going to open the poll later but first, any thoughts on side-polls beyond songs/albums? do people want to poll the reznor/ross soundtrack stuff too or remixes as side polls? i will probably just accept htda material as eligible for the main polls

remixes wd probably be good? - i think scores & soundtrack stuff is a bit much

sidepoll: trent hairdos
jk

The scores/soundtracks might be 2-3 separate polls alone!

yeah its a pretty hefty list