theo parrish s/d

"As somebody who is nominally on the pro-detroit side of the argument I think that most of 'us' would be happy just to have a weekly place we could go and listen to the music we like with large-ish, enthusiastic, knowledgable crowds, and to be booked to DJ music we like once in a while and to see the DJs we like booked in our towns as well. Instead, the last few times I've gone to see a DJ I was excited for, it's been in an empty club, meanwhile clubs playing the latest minimal jams are packed to the rafters (ok this is overexaggerating). I think you can see where at least a little bitterness creeps in."

the problem is that people only have a good time when their feelings are reciprocated by bloggers, music journalists, etc who are all pushing the "new best thing ever". when things break outside of what they are told to be good, they react with complete and total indifference if not disdain. this is about the conditioning of people to expect nothing but nonsense. these things you speak of are just symptoms of the larger problem.

"I still don't think that being all militant and confrontational about it is the way to go, but I definately understand where they are coming from and where you could get pretty angry about the situation pretty fast."

if being confrontational isn't the way to go, what is? people are not committed to this music enough to go out of their way to learn about it on their own. the only way is for people to break through the deafening roar of the newest hype, and that doesn't happen by playing nice.

"This is probably a pretty U.S. perspective that maybe the Europeans (where I assume there is a lot more outlet for 'true detroit or whatever' music, but maybe I'm wrong about that) don't see as clearly.

-- sous les paves"

even in Europe where the US guys may or may not get a lot of love, compare it to the hype of Berlin or Frankfurt (a few years ago) or wherever else and you still see wild inequality in terms of who gets coverage, props, etc. it may be better than it is in the US, but it is still very unbalanced.

UGLY EDITS 10
Almost as good as Achilles Last Stand on Presence

I mean....shouldn't dance music retain vulgarity or a certain lack of credibility?"

no. i can't imagine why you would think so.

YES. If the world were comprised entirely of purist pipcock clones it would be a very dull place.

"YES. If the world were comprised entirely of purist pipcock clones it would be a very dull place.

-- sam500"

i love that i am the purist yet my musical interests and deejay sets span such a huge variety of genres that it is ridiculous. i just dont understand that point of view, it doesnt make any fucking sense whatsoever. how can i be a purist if i play nothing in a pure manner?????????????

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

exactly!

because insisting on rejecting vulgarity and obsession with 'credibility' is borrrrrrring

what happened to this thread

not entirely sure

anyway I'm on record here saying essentially what TP said. all this is a reason and motive to make things better and pay dues to who's owed them. but if y'all just wanted to have a bitchfest, have at it

also can someone pls book this DJ in the bay area kthxbai

TP that is. although I'm available too

TP doesn't come out that much. i want to see him too blunt!

ive seen tp once and he blew out the sound system at sonotheque, which has one of the best rigs (almost always poorly utilized) in the city

he plays so often in london, think he must have family here or something

blew out the sound system

this was a bad thing, btw

I need to go downstairs...SS 030 come hither.

from where i sit, calling house music utopian comes from feeling/experiencing the music, not some need to insert a philosophy or to explain that feeling away. it is amazing to me how much language fails sometimes. but really this thread was so much better when everyone was enthusing about theo parrish.

it's a search and destroy, we're allowed to say bad things about theo as well. for example, "saga of resistance" was as hamfisted a sun ra tribute as any other.

I am going to be uncharacteristically blunt, even by my usual standards, because I feel confident saying that theo doesn't get sun range. sure, theo may "feel" sun range, but that's no big feat. after all, I'm sure kenny g "feels" john Coltrane, just as ronan might "feel" underground resistance and vanilla ice might "feel" public enemy. but i'm certain that just as a white man from Ireland cannot truly understand the soul of a black man from Detroit, so too cannot a black man from Detroit truly understand the egypto-Saturnian soul of a man like sun ra.

and this is theft. I hate it when people release a track that sounds like it was produced, mixed and pressed by a deaf sloth, on single-sided vinyl- then re-release it years later. talk about turning shit into gold/laughing all the way to the bank.

xpost LOL

in fact, seeing as my wife is Egyptian (unlike sun ra), and her father is from alexandria, and thus (unlike sun ra) a true pharoanic African, and I myself am (unlike sun ra) a real-life Ra, that is, a father of pharoahs, I call bullshit on sun ra.

"if someone tells me they love trance, i actually tend to think of them as an idiot and stop paying any attention to them."

-- the table is the table

but what about tiesto?!?!? and PvD?!?!? they are so groundbreaking!!!!!

You know, i realised, there is only James Pennington and Toni Iordache. Other music fills in the gaps. But i like the gaps too

house music is ... transmolecularized ...

house music is.....good!

Still not as bad as the Dissensus thread. Must try harder.

"and this is theft. I hate it when people release a track that sounds like it was produced, mixed and pressed by a deaf sloth, on single-sided vinyl- then re-release it years later. talk about turning shit into gold/laughing all the way to the bank.

xpost LOL

-- blunt"

you must be nuts, that track is the jam.

it must be - theo parrish released it!

"it must be - theo parrish released it!

-- deej"

he has released a few stinkers: "Dreamer's Blue (Acid Guitar Version)", "Walking Thru The Sky (Liberation Mix)" (both with the same guy on guitar, maybe it is his fault??), and a few of the tracks on the Rotating Assembly album. really, i wish more people were as consistent as him, and as willing to try different ideas.

Do u guys like the Heath Brothers?

no really and it's the same with "When The Morning Comes", except that's a jam and I'll take the time to try and get the sound system to spout something that makes sense to dancers on this one.

i have found that the more fucked up the Theo record sounds, the better the dancefloor reaction. 1987 EP crushes it, as does WTMC and TMATWB.

or Let My Children Hear Music?

^ serious music:D

"if being confrontational isn't the way to go, what is? people are not committed to this music enough to go out of their way to learn about it on their own. the only way is for people to break through the deafening roar of the newest hype, and that doesn't happen by playing nice."

Clearly the only solution to this 'problem' is forceful, obnoxiously holier-than-thou indoctrination.

house is a feeling

of superiority

Clearly the only solution to this 'problem' is forceful, obnoxiously holier-than-thou indoctrination.

-- glynsync,

exactly. i can't stand that kind of attitude.

arguing on messageboards is saving the universe from shame

nothing in the world is better than a great night and a great floor, and imo, the music is only responsible for switching it from great to 'uhhh' when something just stinks up the fucking room. these things are usually mash-ups.

i don't know a lot about dance music or techno or house. trance is kind of too fast for me. i could probably 'get' it and enjoy it though. i love disco, pretty much all of it i hear: "underground," "cheesy/gay," "mainstream." i honestly haven't heard any theo parrish, sorry. :( the few revival disco nights i've been to in l.a. have been fun but a little hit-or-miss: too reserved/cool, too many clumsy beardos, (too much like pipecock ha!) that is until everyone gets drunk enough and/or the floor becomes crowded enough that it's all off the hook.

house nights are the most fun though, even though i don't actively seek it out for 'listening time.' that's my loss. i don't know what kind of house they usually play, but it's fun as hell to dance to, and the floor is racially mixed, which is a breath of fresh air (i probably go to all the wrong clubs).

all of this is totally off-topic, sorry.

house is a feeling

-- haitch, Friday, July 18, 2008 1:09 AM

of superiority

-- haitch, Friday, July 18, 2008 1:09 AM

i LOL'd for real

i have found that the more fucked up the Theo record sounds, the better the dancefloor reaction. 1987 EP crushes it

Agreed, I love that record. I also love the fact that he made it on his uncle's casio keyboard and a kawai drum machine when he was 14. The best part is that the distortion comes from a short in the wire that he jiggled when he wanted the sound to change. That is fucking brilliant.

I am loving the ilx hand wringing the last few days. I check in once or twice a day with a bucket of popcorn and some jujubes to see what happened. It's better than the movies.

blunt, can i borrow "deaf sloth" as the name for a record label? it's too good to let evaporate. :)

listening to the new theo mix on rbma that he did for sonar and its weird. he mixes james brown into savage project and then gets into post-punk disco and then latin music ??? i have not been to witness to theo's sets but is he usually that eclectic ? i hate that term but you know what i mean.

yes, sometimes

check it: http://www.allphon.com/tracklisting/theo.php

wow, that's a wealth of knowledge right there. thanks for that link. i need to catch up on this guy's sets, the tracklistings look great.

it's not as nice as the old twoplayer theo shrine (RIP) but it'll do in a pinch

IIRC you can look at twoplayer.net and forcefield (amazing arnold) on the internet archive but the formatting never looks quite right.

"yes, sometimes

-- moonship journey to baja"

when he is at his best, IMO. some of his more "house" sets are very nice as well, but he can string together some wildly divergent records better than just about anybody out there that i can think of.