Guns n Roses: Critical Rehab

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rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 18 November 2011 13:21 (fourteen years ago)

four months pass...

Well:

To: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N' Roses were to be inducted it'd be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.

Since then we've listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists' comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.

That said, I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of "Guns N' Roses".

This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.

The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.

Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.

There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.

But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.

In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.

I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

P.S. RIP Armand, Long Live ABC III

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:27 (fourteen years ago)

when i saw this thread I thought "Critical Rehab" was the name of a new album?

Xerox of Fate, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending
Oh yes it does, Axl Rose!

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

oh man i'm really torn between Axl being a huge, whining baby and someone actually finally giving something other than lip service to the "fuck the Hall of Fame" thing. not that is a huge snub or w/e, but still an Axl-less GnR exhibit will be really lol.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:31 (fourteen years ago)

So basically Axl says he isn't trying to tell the R'n'RHoF what to do, but really he's trying to tell the R'n'RHoF what to do.
Or in other words, passive aggressive Axl is passive aggressive.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:33 (fourteen years ago)

xp it's like someone finally took a stand against environmental pollution, but unfortunately it was Hitler.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

lol snoball

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:35 (fourteen years ago)

Axl's camp.

SongOfSam, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

once again, axl makes it all about axl.

eyes of dora maar (get bent), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:37 (fourteen years ago)

xp He's quite twee nowadays as well.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:37 (fourteen years ago)

crossing my fingers so hard for the induction of everybody in gnr except axl

please please please please please

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

I'll be summering at Camp Axl. Let y'all know what the canoeing is like.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:43 (fourteen years ago)

So if I'm reading this correctly, he's taking himself out of the HoF discussion because they wanted to include band members that Axl didn't want included.

Is that the implication or am I imagining it?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:17 (fourteen years ago)

That's exactly what Axl is saying.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

With a side order of...
http://d.awesomemyspacecomments.com/5/4f023b110325d.jpg

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

ie Slash, no?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, that's exactly the implication. he figures inducting izzy and duff should be "enough" of a nod to the past, if such is required, but he refuses to participate if they're gonna induct slash & steve. fuckhead.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:23 (fourteen years ago)

Basically Slash, yes. Although I'm pretty sure Axl doesn't want Buckethead there either.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:23 (fourteen years ago)

I hope that Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba all appreciate what axl is doing for them.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

They will. Until he fires each one of them.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:25 (fourteen years ago)

Bumblefoot can be very appreciative when he wants to be

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:26 (fourteen years ago)

He's been pulling this shit for long enough for me to just roll my eyes and go, ugh whatever dude.

But it still just irritates the shit out of me. Does he really think that anyone's buying his new albums off the 'awesomeness' of what he's done SINCE Slash and Duff and Izzy and Steve left the band? That everyone who buys his new garbage isn't hoping that he's suddenly not crazy and doesn't suck anymore, LIKE HE USED TO NOT SUCK?

again, I shouldn't even bother but seriously, fuck him in the eye. Douchecanoe.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:26 (fourteen years ago)

SAVE TOMMY STINSON

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:26 (fourteen years ago)

lol 'albums'

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:26 (fourteen years ago)

would be rad if the post-induction jam was just Steven Adler and DJ Ashba.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:27 (fourteen years ago)

judging by his stint on celebrity rehab, not sure adler could even play drums anymore :(

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:33 (fourteen years ago)

kinda feeling axl on this one

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:36 (fourteen years ago)

i refuse to accept that

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:38 (fourteen years ago)

so what is the argument in favor of his stance, out of curiosity? not trolling, genuinely asking.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:45 (fourteen years ago)

i'm not really in favor of his reasoning, because i think it would be just as stupid to leave Slash and the other guys out of the induction ceremony, but i'm all for a reasonably big name shrugging off induction in a stupid institution anyway

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:46 (fourteen years ago)

I predict a similar letter next year from Courtney regarding Nirvana's induction.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:47 (fourteen years ago)

oh okay, I wasn't thinking about the whole HoF is nonsense who cares kinda angle. Fair enough.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

but it's not an "i don't care about the HOF" stance. it's a "fuck you, slash, i'm bigger than any of this" stance. nothing admirable about it on any level.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:52 (fourteen years ago)

I don't think he's saying "induct izzy and duff, fuck slash" at all - he seems to be saying that he'd be happy to be inducted if they included EVERYONE who's been in G'n'R from Live Like A Sucide up until the present day.

The line about Izzy and Duff refers to peoples' wishes for an Appetite-era reunion at the RNRHOF ceremony or whatever - he's saying that's never going to happen, but ppl who actually come out to GnR gigs are welcome to be delighted if any past members ever get up and guest, and he is equally going to be happy if those two ever do, and doesn't really expect anyone else would.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:47 (fourteen years ago)

if Axl had actually gone it'd be a zoo -- at least now the other guys can go and have a really fun night together, hopefully get a good guest singer onstage for the jam session.

deejeridoo (some dude), Thursday, 12 April 2012 00:32 (fourteen years ago)

hopefully get a good guest singer onstage for the jam session.

have you ever considered writing horror stories

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 April 2012 00:34 (fourteen years ago)

oh look it's the guy who started this thread and its stupid premise nobody agrees with

deejeridoo (some dude), Thursday, 12 April 2012 00:36 (fourteen years ago)

I love that Axl uses the phrase "don't get it twisted."

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 12 April 2012 01:07 (fourteen years ago)

oh look it's the guy who started this thread and its stupid premise nobody agrees with

great post

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 April 2012 01:12 (fourteen years ago)

Dude, I bought a Black 'n' Blue and a Badlands album based on thinking somehow I could trust your critical opinion about Guns 'n' Roses.

beachville, Thursday, 12 April 2012 01:25 (fourteen years ago)

lol I would still rep for the Badlands album over Appetite but I'd be more inclined to say "this is my personal issue" now

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 April 2012 01:35 (fourteen years ago)

I don't think he's saying "induct izzy and duff, fuck slash" at all - he seems to be saying that he'd be happy to be inducted if they included EVERYONE who's been in G'n'R from Live Like A Sucide up until the present day.

― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

thats how i read it too

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:27 (fourteen years ago)

does anyone really want to see Matt Sorum in the hall of fame though

makes u think

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:31 (fourteen years ago)

call him by his proper name, That Matt Fucker From The Cult

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:50 (fourteen years ago)

we should def recognize matt for his fine work on the y kant tori read lp

eyes of dora maar (get bent), Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:53 (fourteen years ago)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8Lk7-UkV9BI/S4GfT6g69pI/AAAAAAAABrw/tOxF8OC0LJ8/s1600/Y_Kant_Tori_Read_Promo_Picture.jpg

eyes of dora maar (get bent), Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:54 (fourteen years ago)

What the Jesus

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:55 (fourteen years ago)

at least now the other guys can go and have a really fun night together, hopefully get a good guest singer onstage for the jam session.

would love to see almost anybody front gnr @ the hall of fame show. scott weiland, alanis morissette, morley safer, anybody. mostly just so i could imagine axl losing his shit about it.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:58 (fourteen years ago)

Lil B, Karen O, Jay-Z, Death Grips, anyone.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 April 2012 05:00 (fourteen years ago)


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