Simpin Ain't Easy: The Official Thread For Drake's Sophomore Album, TAKE CARE

u crazy

kanye is better-looking technically but also has a perpetual babyface so it's not in like a grown attractive man way and i get icked out by his sex tracks as a result. his skin is beautiful, though.

kanye doesn't have eyebrows that can cause solar eclipses for one

kanye was a sympathetic underdog -- this was a huge angle for his career. has drake ever been an underdog in his life?

i think maybe 'struggle' is confusing things bcuz people assume im talking purely poverty and racism, but really i just mean that rap music for has always been closely tied w/ underdog narratives & i just never felt Drake's fight as being particularly relevant to my life or applicable or meaningful or interesting or resonant

like, should you be rapping about this girl's thighs when you're five years old?!?

has drake ever been an underdog in his life?

http://lolamack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/drake-as-wheel-chair-jimmy.jpg

Drake is attractive but often looks foolish

Kanye looks like a regular dude & his face looks kind of silly sometimes although i often wonder if that's related to the car accident at all

like, should you be rapping about this girl's thighs when you're five years old?!?

ask Jordy

everyone itt rong about attractive men except me

'realness' and 'authenticity' and 'sincerity' have nothing to do w/ this -- how those things are conveyed through music, though, is absolutely relevant. what i'm saying is drake conveys these ideas in an unconvincing manner and kanye (at one time) did so in a more convincing one. if the 'real' circumstances of drake's background make it a more difficult thing to overcome then it does, but that doesn't change that i find drake's 'struggle' to be about the least engaging possible storyline for a career

― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:55 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark

well yeah i agree with how you've phrased it right here all the way, but a lot of the context you've put this argument in in other posts still rings really hollow to me.

drake's new "i have thugs and killers IN MY ENTOURAGE" thing is the most hilarious turn yet in his persona.

btw i saw this in the checkout line at the store this morning and made a mental note to post it to the 'drake lookin ridiculous' thread but i might as well put it here:

http://rapfix.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/drake-source.jpg

ahaha

thick eyebrows are agl, on men and women, in passing

i have a subscription to the Source that I'm tempted to cancel before that issue cover arrives in my mail slot

if he keeps posing for pictures like that i am going to start liking him for real :/

i feel like our paranoia about someone possibly believing in 'authenticity' can make us incapable of recognizing the ways in which a public persona might play into how we receive the music sometimes

if he keeps posing for pictures like that i am going to start liking him for real :/

― horseshoe, Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kind of feel like everyone has a variety of moments like this w/ drake. its the problem of hating on v successful & everpresent public personalities. at least w/ a forgotten hated performer i dont notice when they do something sympathetic

what does ethan think about this record

i'm sure drake's a nice dude, i mean, i wouldn't intentionally knock over a tray he was carrying at mcdonald's or anything

btw sorry @ al i was in overtired overposting mode this afternoon & misread him

i think i've explained the drake thing at this pt so i'm going to take a break from discussing dude for awhile

until the 6-part 'drake on drake' miniseries airs on pbs in 2018

would make for an interesting game of one on one

especially if one of the Drakes were Ludwig Von

http://trapanati.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/im-doing-me.jpg?w=450&h=462

i had only just scrubbed that from my memory from the last time that was posted in the Drake Looking Ridiculous thread. thanks for that!

np

has kind of a gay Terrence and Philip vibe

he is canadian

i think deej's "drake isn't ~authentic~ and his first world problems are trivialising rap" argument is completely wrong?

i mean it's true, drake's first world problems come off as unbelievably trite and irritating, but that's a performative failure not because there's anything inherently inappropriate about it.

he's also kind of ugly physically, tbh

that's kind of what he was saying lex

oh ok. it seemed to change a few times. it's nothing to do with hip-hop as a form though, so i think bringing rappers from ~genuine~ poor backgrounds into it is a red herring

like i don't think hip-hop is this immutable form that has to be certain things and not others

Deej wasn't saying that lex.

Tho in ilx skim read mode it kinda looked that way initially maybe.

if deej was actually communicating his thoughts clearly and consistently one of you guys might have to translate for me and lex, because it came out pretty muddled to me

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5781/deejtranslate.jpg

irl lols

hahaha

hahaha that is v good

i feel like our paranoia about someone possibly believing in 'authenticity' can make us incapable of recognizing the ways in which a public persona might play into how we receive the music sometimes

― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i think this is the key to my disagreement w/ Al

its not that drake hasn't 'really experience struggle,' but knowing that our perception of him is that he's had an easy path, he makes certain choices in his music that don't give him a particularly powerful narrative

i have a bias towards underdog stories, i'll readily agree, but this isn't the same as needing rappers to be 'authentic'

i think you're more paranoid about me being the rockism police than i am about you forwarding a secretly rockist 'authenticity' debate

i mean people who get into the whole "drake's uncle was larry graham, he was groomed to be a platinum rappers from the moment he was born" conspiracy theories are a little over-the-top to me, he didn't REALLY have some easy obvious path to his current career with zero roadblocks

the word paranoia was not intended to turn this into a dick waving contest abt who is being more weird

im sure his real career had plenty of roadblocks but overcoming those has never entered his music in a compelling way that i can tell. i dont really get a sense of who he is / where he comes from beyond some banal platitudes

dude it's not a competition, you're super weird and neurotically prickly anytime anyone disagrees with you about anything, everybody here knows that

i mean you just cut-and-pasted YOURSELF from 24 hours prior for no other reason than to just remind us what you already said

ladies, please, you're both terrible

i mean you just cut-and-pasted YOURSELF from 24 hours prior for no other reason than to just remind us what you already said

― some dude, Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:14 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark

this is the one thing that deej can't stop himself from doing that drags on arguments like this past the point where anyone finds it acceptable

i miss when ilm could just all agree that drake was terrible. truly a harmonious time

i mean you just cut-and-pasted YOURSELF from 24 hours prior for no other reason than to just remind us what you already said

― some dude, Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:14 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

it was because i was trying to locate where in a longer argument our specific disagreement was.

im sorry 'paranoia' came off as 'prickly' i was hoping we could be mature & bracket that in the context of the argument rather than you assuming i was being 'prickly' & trying to diss you

if anyone thought i was calling al 'paranoid' i apologize bcuz that was not in any way my intent -- was just trying to express concern that by worrying abt 'rockism' we can hude the fact that our understanding of an artists life enters into how we receive the art