Please talk about: "Buffalo Stance" by Neneh Cherry

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I want to talk about "Man Child" instead. One of the most beautiful songs ever to contain rapping...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

this song is pretty good, but I don't get the classic rep.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

AND YOU TOO WILL LEARN TO LIVE THE LIE

― N_RQ, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I played this when I DJed at the last Poptimism and out of all the songs I played, people's reaction to this put the biggest smile on my face. I love everything aout it.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 19 May 2005 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I hereby declare everybody in this thread to be insane. Or British.

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

raw like sushi is great, but the single version of 'heart' is much better than the album version (or do i have that the wrong way round?)

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

this song and its video are of course fantastic

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"Buffallo" was a london based photgraphy and fashion collective that specialised in tuff/pretty looking models. if u saw The Face at any time in the early 80's then you know their work. They did most of the fashion covers (Nick Kamen was their most famous). the collective was formed by Ray Petri, Jamie Morgan and Cameron McVey (who Neneh later married).

http://img.textbookx.com/images/large/1X/157687091X.jpg

http://www.showstudio.com/projects/mgn/mgn_movies.html

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

she only married one of them, not all three.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i think 3D from Massive Attack was part of the scene too, hence "lookin good, hangin' with The Wild Bunch"

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved this song when it came out and was actually listening to the 45 when the '89 bay area earthquake hit. The record was skipping over and over again when the earthquake stopped and it always creeped me out after that.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

that is true

and the song is Classic, Klassic and any other way you wanna spell it, always makes me smile and ppl dance when I play it

and Alex in NYC is right in saying Neneh generally is brilliant

btw, has anyone actually come out hating the song yet?

― H (Heruy), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

one of my favorites, ever. i finally found the 12" a couple of years ago, which was a sunny day indeed.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post:
half the song was originally on a Wild Bunch-produced Jamie J Morgan b-side a couple of years earlier

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

how about we all celebrate by somebody YSIing it!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

For some reason, not necessarily musical, Buffalo Stance reminds of Oran Juice Jones - The Rain.

― mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 20 May 2005 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought the cassingle of this 'back in the day'. I don't have it with me anymore, but I recall the cardboard edges of that thing were really really worn.

― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 20 May 2005 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i think wild bunch did a couple tracks on 'raw like sushi': bristol p-punk-trip hop 'nuum represent: neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

― N_RQ, Friday, 20 May 2005 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

the first cd i ever owned (c1990).

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i think wild bunch did a couple tracks on 'raw like sushi': bristol p-punk-trip hop 'nuum represent: neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

Geoff Barrow (Portishead) did a couple of tracks on Homebrew too.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

3D wrote 'Manchild' fyi

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

3D co-wrote it. Geoff Barrow did one track on "Homebrew" the sublime "Somedays".

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

And being Neneh has done stuff with The Slits, and Gangstarr was featured on Homebrew also, we really could do a six degrees of Neneh thing.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.skysaw.org/onu/artists/personnel/nenehcherry.html

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

For some reason, not necessarily musical, Buffalo Stance reminds of Oran Juice Jones - The Rain.

This is sort of creepy, because I got both of these songs from the iTunes store at the same time a couple of months ago - I had both of them stuck in my head and hadn't head either in years.

― joygoat (joygoat), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Buffalo Stance and The Rain are two of my all time favourite songs! How weird. Long after I stopped listening to the vast majority of my albums on tape, I still dug out Raw Like Sushi quite regularly. I only bought it on CD last year, thanks to Fopp's lovely fiver section.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(The Rain reminds me of my friends all sitting round the college canteen saying AND HIM in stupid voices and pissing ourselves laughing. We did similarly with 'My name is Prince and I am UGLY' whenever a BOY walked past.)

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think of The Rain as being Drum Machine + synths in an R&B song; one that crossed over to the Hip-Hop market thanks to its attitude.

I think of Buffalo Stance as a urban hippie-esque dance song based mostly around samples that tried to cross over to the Hip-Hop crowd, but came off as a more black version of Groove is in the Heart.

I also differentiate greatly between mid 80's and late 80's urban music thanks to the invention of Emu's sp1200.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Granted, Groove is in the Heart came later I think...

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks to its attitude

Oran "Juice" Jones had the crazy gansterrific persona. I think my favorite part of The Rain might be ad libs at the end. "You're just a squirrel looking for nut!"

― Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"Cameron McVey (who Neneh later married)."

He produced (or co?) the first Sugababes record, no?

I was obsessed with Neneh during my teenage years. OBSESSED. I would gawk at the cd booklet for an hour while listening to the record...

― nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Miss Thang's "Thunder & Lightening" to thread.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i still play the album but i've never liked buffalo stance
i love "manchild" - it was my fave single for that year.
"heart" was great
"inner city mama" was good.

then "7 seconds " was brilliant.
wasn't "trout "with michael (REM) stipe ?

― inner city papa, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

If I remember correctly it was originally a B-side for the group Morgan McVey. I'd love to hear that version. Anyone have it? Probably not...

― nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I do, but on vinyl, not any kind of easily-postable form

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...

Also, Arthur Baker and Kevin Saunderson remixes on the b-side of the 12"? Utter classic, especially the "1/2 Way 2 House Mix" which makes me nostalgic for an era I was scarcely alive for!

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:30 (twenty years ago)

You know, I need to hear this song again, seriously. I can't even remember how it goes at all, but I bought it at the time (on a 'cassingle' no less). I came across Raw Like Sushi in the Trouser Press Record Guide the other day and thought about how it really seemed like a lot of folks flipped over that record. It seemed like it was on everyone's fave albums of the year list, whatever year that was. I'm sure not everyone liked it of course, but this is how I remember it.

― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:58 (twenty years ago)

I always associate Buffalo Stance and Rain with Coldcut's Stop This Crazy thing, don't know why - they were probably all out at roughly the same time

― m3ntal1st, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:20 (twenty years ago)

Probably one of the best synth hooks ever!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:33 (twenty years ago)

With the new reissue of Red Hot + Blue, it's worth putting in a good word for her hip-hop version of "I've Got You Under My Skin".

It takes some courage to do a blank-verse rap like the "Smokin', no cokin'" section, then going all Tracy Ullman with the imitation cockney accents.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:29 (twenty years ago)

I hated this for a long time and then a couple years ago listened to it and was blown away. Now I have no idea how I feel about it. It's undeniable on some level but felt amazingly corny and dated at the time to me. (I was no futurist in 1989, either.) But it's also totally exuberant and ultimately I think that tips me back into the "like" category, at least a little.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm always awed by the reassuring simplicity of a couplet like "no money man can win my love / it's sweetness that I'm thinking of."

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:38 (twenty years ago)

I remember when it came out it seemed like one of those inpenetetrably British novelty hits, with the Bomb The Bass cameo and, again, the Cockney voices - I felt a little left out of what it meant or why it was good, except during all-ages nights at The Underground in the U District.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:45 (twenty years ago)

I once had a nightmare that my copy of this had split into several pieces inside the sleeve, it was horrible!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 06:03 (twenty years ago)

TOTAL.
FUCKING.
CLASSIC.

makes me yearn for a nostalgic look back into the early 90's.
cross colors.
fades.
an urban youth i didn't have.
and i STILL love this song...

― eedd, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

too bad her dad's dead.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), May 19th, 2005 11:42 AM. (hstencil) (link)

Read: I am aware that her dad is a notable jazz musician and would like to show off this fact.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Raw Like Sushi was #5 in 1989's P&J poll.

In the summer of '89 this, "Me, Myself & I," and all those wonderful Fine Young Cannibals seemed to herald a real Daisy Age. I don't hear the song enough to get tired of it. The synth squiggle-hook is marvelous, and so is the bit about the gigolo, and almost everything about the chorus. So, ok, I'll say classic.

The followup, "Kisses On the Wind," is not as memorable but for some reason is a better song, if that makes sense.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

I was listening to this just today, only to log on to ILM and find a resurrected thread about it! It's like you've read my mind, people. One of my favourite songs of all time, at least to dance to. Reminds me of going in Charlie's in Manchester on a Friday night, only they don't seem to play it anymore, which is a shame. Not that big on the album, but Buffalo Stance is a stone-cold classic. Brilliant vocal, great synth line and, as was said upthread, endearingly piss-poor scratching.

"Wot is 'ee loike!"

― yer mam! (yer mam!), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Last time I heard this song was a week and a half ago, shouted on a public street by several gay Canadians.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

How do you know they were Canadian?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

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I'm still trying to get my hands on the stems for this so I can do an hour long Prins Thomas-style extended remix of this song.

― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 19 November 2021 12:43 (four years ago)

Just the outro looped for 15 minutes

― ignore the blue line (or something), Friday, 19 November 2021 16:43 (four years ago)

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1foECnRUuyM

― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Thursday, 3 March 2022 16:31 (four years ago)

on first listen: completely superfluous but my goodwill toward robyn means it's at least not offensive? no idea why she thought slowing it down was a good idea. somehow this is the first time I realized the line was "no style rookie".

― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 March 2022 19:09 (four years ago)

Slowing this down was a ruinous mistake.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 3 March 2022 19:16 (four years ago)

Very superfluous. Totally not smokin’.

― celebrating ten years of constant posting (breastcrawl), Thursday, 3 March 2022 19:17 (four years ago)

The only way slowing it down makes sense would be if it was slowed waaaaaaaaay down, like 4 times as slow and turning it into a drone poem

― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 3 March 2022 19:41 (four years ago)

this would be a perfectly fine second b-side.

― bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 3 March 2022 20:20 (four years ago)

it's ok but no thanks. i've been caning the original lately. that guitar figure in the coda is one of my favorite things about it.

― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Thursday, 3 March 2022 21:13 (four years ago)

oh man...

well, i'm listening to the original now. which probably wouldn't have happened today otherwise.

― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 5 March 2022 13:35 (four years ago)

yeah i was excited about this until I heard it.

― akm, Saturday, 5 March 2022 17:50 (four years ago)

No slow version could be my lover.

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 March 2022 18:06 (four years ago)

the original is unimprovable but they could've at least tried

― ignore the blue line (or something), Saturday, 5 March 2022 18:14 (four years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLb3AbgBTbs

― xzanfar, Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:45 (four years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwbrJDGgu64

― xzanfar, Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:50 (four years ago)

I've always loved that bonkers Swamp Thing album

― Josefa, Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:51 (four years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r93bmuogf5s

― xzanfar, Saturday, 5 March 2022 20:05 (four years ago)

This song would seem impossible to re-interpret, but then I would have said the same thing about "Accordion"

Cherry Thing was ten years ago!

― bendy, Monday, 7 March 2022 15:00 (four years ago)

one month passes...

The Versions, 10 covers, collaborative project of female artists, out June 10, according to Republic Records Media:
Tracklisting:
Buffalo Stance (Robyn feat. Mapei)
Manchild (feat. Sia)
Woman (feat. ANOHNI)
Buddy X (feat. Greentea Peng)
Kootchi (feat. Jamila Woods)
Sassy (feat. TYSON)
Heart (feat. Sudan Archives)
Kisses On The Wind (feat. Seinabo Sey)
Manchild (feat. Kelsey Lu)
Buddy X (Honey Dijon Remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT1egmJkP0s

― dow, Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:35 (four years ago)

Was excited about the prospect of a new Neneh Cherry album, but I doubt I need this. The Robyn cover, as noted upthread, was meh.

― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:49 (four years ago)

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