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slocki, what's the music like? is it on the wackier, experimental sound effects side of his stuff or straight songs or a mixture?

(ps, did you ever get in contact w/my friend?)

― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not even sure why i want it, i think it's just because the cover is so funny

― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason. I also have that Tom Ze CD - I bought it in Tokyo at an insane record store called Manual of Errors http://www.manuera.com - maybe you could buy a copy off them. Failing that, Third World Music, also in Tokyo, has a ridiculously good Brazilian mail order thing going on. It's possibly the best selection of Brazilian music anywhere in the world, in my opinion, including Brazil! I can't find their web address at the moment; if you try googling various permutations of the shop name and the owner's name - Kepel Kimura - you might have more luck.

― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 31 March 2005 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I would add Gal & Caetano Domingo to your canon as that is kinda like the beginning in my mind. Plus, it rules. Also, Jorge Ben's s/t from 1969. There are others that are great that I am forgetting right now. I know there's Nara Leao album in this vein. Check out the slipcue site, it's helped me dozens of times decide what to buy next.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Jorge Ben's Africa Brasil too. Totally great.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, there is a great website located in Brazil where you can order these records. Kinda the Brazil Amazon. I know it was linked from ilm before, or at least mentioned. I'll try to find it. I think Amateur1st was the one who mentioned it -- maybe on a Nara Leao thread?

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah found it: http://somlivre.globo.com/

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll second Africa Brasil and Tom Ze (his first 3 albums)...also, seek out some Elis Regina (not really Tropicalia, but a lot of her songs were penned by Tropicalia guys)

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I need to get some. Where do I start?

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Start here

http://www.slipcue.com/music/brazil/aa_imagesbrazil/aa_comps/68_tropicalia.gif

or here maybe?

http://www.slipcue.com/music/brazil/aa_imagesbrazil/caetano/veloso_68.gif

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Ou Panis et Circencis was what I was thinking.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't start with the Caetano album pictured above. Better to go with A Arte De Caetano Veloso--great anthology.

― These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

but Tropicalia as an actual entity and movement dissolves when, in '69? so while Araca Azul and Africa Brasil and Club de Esquina and Todos os Olhos are great great records (though my favorite Ze is the one with barbed wire on it), they are not "Tropicalia," and that's not really the topic at hand, is it? i mean, i could pile on Novos Baihanos and Lula Cortes and Joyce and Lo Borges and Arthur Verocai, but that's just falling under MPB then.
i guess the general rule is to go with the faces on "Panis et Circencis," no? which would include that Lara Neao disc, which is quite straight, more so than the Caetano e Gal disc from '67.
and i'll second the excellent Charles Perrone book on MPB, though it is far out of print now. excellent analysis of Gil, Veloso, as well as Nascimento, Buarque, and Bosco.

― Beta (abeta), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear ya and you're probably right, I just think of those Ben & Domingo records along the same lines. Domingo is very pretty & straight bossa nova, but it's the meeting of the minds, so to speak, and I wrongly think of it as tropicalia. It's true that there are relatively few artists/records that are truly tropicalia, it's a finite group. I think they've all been named.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

okay then, to stick to Shakey Mo's original post: just add the first Tom Ze disc and the Nara Leao and that's basically the entire arc of Tropicalia. The Leao is the least essential (and least Tropicalist to these ears). Most crucial is everything else. Gal's '69 is not only the most out, but would rank with any weird psych of any artist, of any time, of any era. Monstrous. whenever i play any of those tunes for newbies (to people not at all familiar with MPB), it blows minds.

― Beta (abeta), Thursday, 31 March 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the subject of what's MPB, tropicalia, and bossa is a bit confusing to most Americans? Seems like someone around here ought to come up with a book proposal that sorts it all out. If I had the resources, I'd love to do it. True, Elis Regina did Gil tunes real early on--"Roda" and "Lunik 9," and did some great covers of his stuff later on in the '70s (in fact, I wonder if some compiler could get a great CD of "Elis Sings Gil," wouldn't be any worse than the endless repackagings of her stuff). The movement does seem to have lasted maybe three years, bounded on the one end by the '67 recordings by Veloso and Gil and their arrest and departure for London in '69?

And I sure wish someone would do an English-language bio of Elis Regina, who's incredibly uneven as a recording artist, but certainly great and worthy of a book? But it's so tough selling those kind of books--I know that the bossa nova book by Castro didn't sell all that well, under 10,000 I think, ditto the excellent Cuba book by Ned Sublette (my friend at A Cappella edited those). And I've worked as a publishers' rep for music-book houses, so I know it's tough myself. Has anyone pitched that 33 1/3 series books on, say, "Gilberto Gil" (1968) or "Elis and Tom" or "Africa/Brasil"? Those all seem worthy. I'm just such a fan of this stuff, and so convinced it's something Americans should be much more aware of, both for musical reasons and for perspective on how bad things can be in a society obsessed with "order" and all that...and too bad that Perrone book is OP, too.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

okay, so I got a bunch of the solo albums I had to order from Brazil thru Gemm (Caetano s/t albums, first Gilberto s/t album) and now I'm wondering - is everything on the Tropicalia comp taken from other records? I was under the impression some of those tracks had been recorded specifically for that comp - the version of Bat Macumba, for example, is quite different from the one that appears on the Os Mutantes debut album...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Rita Lee - Build Up

― mucho, Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, answered my own question about the Tropicalia comp (no, that stuff isn't all from other records)... now I'm looking for the two Gal Costa Mercury records. Gemm is only listing vinyl copies for $215(!) which is insane. The CDs seem to be out-of-print, aren't available at Dusty Groove, etc. Anyone got any tips where I can find this stuff? Kinda wish I'd bought those reissues several years ago when I first saw them....

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 25 April 2005 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

re the gal costa albums, gygax has them and he's been promising me copies of them for a while now

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 25 April 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

damn his sexy hide.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 25 April 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Here is one of those Gal Costa albums, the one that begins with "Não Identificado". If someone could advise on how to distinguish between the two 1969 s/t Costa albums--were they on different labels, was one released before the other, etc.--I'd appreciate it (for purposes of labeling).

― These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

the one you posted is this one. the one from the tropicalia box set.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf400/f414/f41436lfm5j.jpg

i want the other mercury one

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, shakey, i have the one posted upthread, along with like 8 cds i owe you

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I know it is that one. I have the cd, so I can see the cover, and got it as part of the tropicalia box set. But I was wondering, originally were they released on different labels, or was one at least released before the other? Looking at AMG and Slipcue I can't figure it out. The Tropicalia box is a pretty recent thing.

Shakey had requested both of the Gal Costa albums, that's why I ysi'd it.

― These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Jaxon we gotta hook up - all that Funkadelic stuff I copied is sitting by my record player waiting for you.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

same label. the one you posted was put out first.

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

haha. i'm not even listening to funkadelic right now. (and i finally found a really cheap copy of Atomic Dog)

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(btw I have since received a copy of Pacific Ocean Blue from a kindly ILXer - you still have a bunch of other shit I want tho! Alice Coltrane, etc)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

Dusty Groove has the Gal Costa album above (pic with the boa, w/ "Nao Identificado") in stock right now. I've been trying to get a hold of it for a while. It's really amazing.

― Keith C (lync0), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

i went to dusty groove just last month while i was in chicago for a bit and picked up the second Gal Coasta s/t album. it's way rockier and way trippier. i also picked up Os Brazoes - s/t. They're the backing band on the Gal Costa discs. and Rogerio Duprat - A Banda Tropicalista do Duprat. he did the production and arrangements on most of the early Tropicalia albums. it's not really what i expected. it's almost like a loungy, soft pop, happy-go-lucky record. only a bit of fuzz and effects.

― Jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

I just got the Rogerio Duprat thing and I'm liking it. I know it doesn't sound exactly like what Tropicalia is supposed to sound like- although it does have yet another version of "Baby," doesn't it?- but that has been my experience with recordings by every one of the associated artists- despite how large its legend looms now, Tropicalia seems to have lasted all of five minutes. One thing to note, the CD I got on el/cherry red sounds like the master tapes had been left under water, or else they couldn't find the tapes and just used on old LP. I do like the weird juxtaposition of songs, it has "Judy in Disguise," Bobby Goldsboro's "Honey," Johnny Rivers' "Summer Rain" AND "Chega de Saudade." That's in the spirit of Tropicalia, isn't it? My favorite so far is Os Mutantes doing The Cowsills' "The Rain, The Park and Other Things."

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Os Mutantes - Technicolor has a bunch of their songs in english. Fairly sweet.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

This week I went ahead and ordered the 2nd s/t Gal Costa CD (same one Jaxon refers to) and the first s/t Caetano CD from Dusty Groove, so if you're anyone's looking for those don't use GEMM or anything like that. I'm hoping they add the Mutantes CDs at some point, because those are fetching serious cash on the secondary market right now, it's a crime I tell ya.

― Keith C (lync0), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

At least first 3 Os Mutantes, which I've got(on omplatten), are good-to-great. (Supposedly, they got[gradually] more into generic prog later, esp after Rita bailed.) Also, the Everything Is Possible anth on Luaka Bop, though could have been better, is representative enough. (And has good tracks that aren't on my other 3). Far as I can tell, Tom Ze is the only Tropicalista to really keep the orig. Tropicalia spirit vivacious. Although, even xgau, who's gen kinda-sorta re Veloso, likes A Foreign Sound, which I haven't heard, but it's more consistently mellow than Tropicalia, isn't it? Now, as far as *non* Tlistas who push themselves and audience, check the (sometimes specically "anti-Trop" )postpunks and others on Nao Wave and Sexual Lives Of Savages comps, which Simon vued in Voice. (Yeah, they think they're so anti--like Pistols doing a Monkees song, and doing it seriously, and Ballocks just happened to be produced by Chris Thomas)Also, Carlinhos Brown, back and forth from Starbucks' faves Tribalistas to recording with mad Max Caveleras, and the late great hiphopologist Chico Science, with N. Zumbi (who are still around, but haven't heard them without him)I had no prob with CV's Tropical Truths! Very illuminating, personal and overview. If his music is a little eh cos he was busy over the years with his notes for this, well that's vindicated now CV!

― don, Friday, 23 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

been doing some investigatin' today.

chico buarque construcao from '71 - the tile track is arranged by duprat.

bbc radio 3's mixing it interviews os mutantes sergio dias! - the programme is being broadcast as i type - followed by a gig he played in london last month. the prog is available for another week.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

I love tropicalia; I think Veloso is way overrated. not pop enuff for me. I listed "Foreign Sound" in my top ten pazz/jop last year, but now...well, it's kinda not really as great as I thought. the cover of "Come as You Are" is great. guess I was fooled. it seemed significant and great at the time.

anyway, the Hip-O comp is all the tropicalia any normal person needs, I think; but I have to hear Mutants do "Judy in the Skies." I love Carlinhos Brown's "alfagamabetizado" album; the one after that, "Ahmet Ertegun Man" or whatever, was ultimately a failed experiment in trying to be Nilsson or John Lennon--I mean fascinating in a way, but it didn't quite come across. Big points for audacity. and the Tom Ze albums Se o caso é chorar and Estudando o samba from mid-70s are him at his least "experimental" and just plain charming. Very good.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 24 September 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

"Estudando o samba" never fails to astound people when I play it for them.

My current favorites are Milton Nascimento's "Clube da Esquina" and the Arthur Verocai album that was reissued a year or so back.

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Saturday, 24 September 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Um, Os Mutantes don't do "Judy In The Skies," that's just an instrumental track with the anonymous studio orchestra. It's kind of cool, though. And there is a cuica thrown in there somewhere for good Brazilian measure.

― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 24 September 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh...too bad it isn't Mutantes doing John Fred. It still sounds great. Another thing to put on my list.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 24 September 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

the Duprat album is intriguing, more Spike Jones on "Judy in Disguise" yet more David Axelrod on the instrumental version of "Baby." Os Mutantes appearances are just alright, but god, the transfer is one of the most hideous I've ever heard, the high frequencies just squished into a soggy pancake.
and for whatever reason, I had stopped listening to Caetano Veloso after Araca Azul, but just recently picked up the spare and lovely Joia, and will no doubt grab Transa in the near-future.
and for whoever is into Club de Esquina, you must check out the Lo Borges record (with sneakers). deliriously compact (most songs under 2 minutes) with precise rhythmic twists and astounding arrangements.

― Beta (abeta), Saturday, 24 September 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Anyone deep into this stuff should definitely read Brutality Garden: Tropicalia and the Emergence of A Brazilian Counterculture by Christopher Dunn. It was his Ph.D. thesis, but a good read, only 214 pages not including notes.

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Saturday, 24 September 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

well fuck I go away for a couple weeks and the Gal albums come back into print and go out of stock while I'm away. Bah. Only managed to get one just now off Dusty Groove.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Beta's description of the album in question gives a pretty good picture of it.

― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Charles Perrone's translation of Caetano Veloso's "Alegria Alegria" (possibly the greatest song of the sixties?):

Walking straight into the wind
Nothing to tie me down, no particular place to go
In the nearly December sun, I'm on my way
The sun scatters into guerillas, spaceships, crimes
Into lovely Claudia Cardinales, I'm on my way
Into presidents' faces, big loving kisses
Into teeth, legs, flags, bombs, and Brigitte Bardot
The sun at the newsstand fills me with joy and laziness
Who reads all this news?
I'm headed into photos and names, colors filling my eyes
My heart full of vain love, I'm on my way, why not? Why not?

She thinks about getting married
I never went back to school, I'm on my way
Nothing to tie me down, no particular place to go
I drink a Coca-Cola, she thinks about a wedding
A song consoles me, I'm headed
Into photos and names with no books or rifles
No hunger, no phone in the heart of Brazil
She doesn't know I even thought of singing on TV
The sun is so lovely
Nothing to tie me down, I'm on my way, empty pockets, empty-handed
I want to go on living love, I'm on my way, why not? Why not?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 25 September 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

Guess I shouldn't be reading this while listening to Neil Young's new "Prarie Wind," but kinda fits, in a sinister way. (Evening sun, birds flying home, horns like a guard tower turning, wirey guitar, tricky rhythms all around,"like a new car sittin' in an open garage...prairie wind blowin' all through my head.") Ge' a job, CV

― don, Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)

One more Veloso tune, "Tropicalia":

Over my head the aeroplanes/Under my feet the trucks and trains
And pointing out the highland plains/Is my nose
I organize the movement, too/I lead the carnival; I'm who
Inaugurates the monument in the midwest of a country in a pose

Long live the Bossa-sa-sa! Long live the stra-stra-straw huts!

The monument is crepe paper and silver/The "green-eyed mulatta"
Hides the "backland moonlight" with her hair behind the forest
The monument has no door/An entrance is an old crooked narrow street
And on its knee a smiling ugly dead child sticks out his hand

Long live the forest la-la-land! Long live the mulatta-ta-ta!

In the courtyard there's a swimming pool/With blue waters from Bahia
The coconut trees speak and the Northeastern breeze and lighthouses
In its right hand it has a rose bush/Authenticating the eternal spring
And in the garden the vultures stroll all day amongst the sunflowers

Long live Maria-ia-ia! Long live Bahia-ia-ia!

On its left wrist a Western shoot-out/In its veins little blood runs
But its heart swings to samba's tambourine
It emits dissonant chords/Over five thousand loudspeakers
Ladies and gentlemen, it sets its big eyes on me

Long live Iracema-ma-ma! Long live Ipanema-ma-ma!

Sunday the "Best of Bossa" is on/Monday is blue Monday for him
Tuesday he's down on the farm, however/The monument is very modern
It didn't say anything about the pattern of my new suit
"To hell with everything else" my dear

Long live "A Banda"-da-da! Carmen Miranda-da-da
Long live "A Banda"-da-da! Carmen Miranda-da-da
Long live "A Banda"-da-da! Carmen Miranda-da-da

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

Apparently, "Alegria Alegria" was used as the the theme song for some popular Brazilian tv series from the eighties or nineties, I think? A show set in the sixties?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Almost forgot to mention this:

Tropicalia: A Revolution in Brazilian Culture
October 22, 2005 – January 8, 2006
Museum of Contemporary Art, 220 East Chicago Avenue

Brazilian art. Design. Film. Dance. Revolutionary music.
Tropicalia, one of the most significant cultural movements to emerge from South America in the last five decades, marked a true revolution in Brazilian music, visual arts, theater, and cinema, while also influencing advertising, fashion, and television. Inspired by the writings of Oswald de Andrade, one of the founding figures of Brazilian modernism, the movement took its name from an installation created in 1967 by the young Brazilian artist Hélio Oiticica, whose work embraced an aesthetic of informality, interactivity, and cultural hybridity. Tropicália also became the title of one of the most celebrated albums in Brazilian music history, featuring Caetano Veloso and others.

This exhibition revisits this seminal moment in Brazilian culture, examining tropicalismo as a true force in popular culture and a continuing source of inspiration for several generations of artists, writers, and musicians. It consists of major works from the 1967 re-creation of the original New Brazilian Objectivity exhibition, and works by numerous artists including Lygia Clark, Lygia Pape, and Antônio Dias; a survey of films; excerpts from concerts by the tropicalist musicians; and examples of advertising, fashion, television clips, and artist-designed theater sets. The historical component is complemented by a contemporary section that assesses the impact of tropicalismo on contemporary art and culture. New commissions by musicians and artists include works by Arto Lindsay, Marepe, Ernesto Neto, Rivane Neuenschwander, and Dominique Gonzalez-Foerster, among others.

Guest-curated by New York-based independent curator Carlos Basualdo, this exhibition is co-organized by the MCA, Chicago, and The Bronx Museum of the Arts, New York. The MCA presentation is coordinated by Assistant Curator Julie Rodrigues Widholm.

Tropicalia website

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

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No, major seventh chord not stretchy enough. Simply a seventh chord.

― Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:50 (nine years ago)

is this a seventh chord?

http://kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~yasuoka/Bonfa/PHM200-087.gif

― bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:03 (nine years ago)

hurts, just looking at it...

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/581/MI0000581599.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

― bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:07 (nine years ago)

That's the one I was thinking of. Other one I'm not sure what to call it.

― Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:10 (nine years ago)

Maybe some kind of inverted thirteenth.

― Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:14 (nine years ago)

I guess Bonfa's music for the film Black Orpheus, which made something of an international art house splash, might have been favorably regarded by proto-Tropacalia kiddies, at least for finding its way into a groovy new context---though when I finally saw it, thought it was a basically basic, Cliffnotes tracking of the original myth, albeit in an enjoyable Carnivale setting, not something that turns up in the movies all that often, and as close as I'll ever get to the real thing. (Think it was John Litweiler who claimed that LB's theme for the flick was real close to an earlier Sun Ra melody.)
I've got a Bonfa album on the Chesky label: pretty perky, although it's one of those overly faithful digital recordings, with every squeak of the strings. The one that really gets me is his collab with Stan Getz, Jazz Samba Encore! He really gets Getz to soar, or something does (new drug score?). I know that Airto M. claimed that Stan's Brazilian fans loved his non-bossa nova albums, but tended to regard those as "comedy records"---but I wonder if even they wouldn't hear this set as transcending his limited understanding, and/or creative misprision. Placebo or not, Thanks LB!

― dow, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:49 (nine years ago)

But Baden Powell might be a more appropriate guitarist to mention here; seems like he just played whatever the hell he wanted.

― dow, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:57 (nine years ago)

Will look into Powell, thx -- For Luiz, i'll take Solo in Rio 1959 anyday day of the week.

― bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:20 (nine years ago)

Bonfa chord is Ab13, can't tell if it includes the 5th or not

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:25 (nine years ago)

(er the first one is, not sure what the second one is)

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:25 (nine years ago)

Bonfa chord is Ab13, can't tell if it includes the 5th or not

Yes. Don't see any fifth, third seems to be doubled though. Have you ever actually played this chord?

(er the first one is, not sure what the second one is)

Can't tell what the absolute notes are but surely you can see the relationship.

Some Brazilian-style players of my acquaintance think Baden Powell is the best

― Gabba Gabba Hey in the Hayloft (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:38 (nine years ago)

Speaking of xpost vanguarda paulista, these two comps of Sao Paulo's remakes/remodels of post-punk etc. are really worth checking out (pretty fair intro, esp. consid word limit):
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/two-new-compilations-document-a-so-paulo-scene-you-never-knew-existed-6403283
And yeah, like the previous poster mentioned, Jucara Marcal's come back pretty strong===check Encarnado on her site! Ncao Zumbi's s/t is very engaging too, as written and played although I think I'd think it was missing some vocal authority, even if I didn't know their albums with the late great Chico Science.

― dow, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:40 (nine years ago)

JUst ain't right really. Why can't you get Tom Ze's 70s stuff on cd as in full lps. I just found the Estudando o Samba on flac on an old hard drive. But I think I probably need everything on physical disc. Actually thankfully just discovered this was the 2fer cd version with the lp after it. Think I've spent too long going through the drives already , so hoping i haven't missed the other set somewhere.

― Stevolende, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 20:01 (nine years ago)

Have you heard the first of hisseveral on Luaka Bop? Goes back pretty far, and well-described by xgau:

Brazil Classics 4: The Best of Tom Zé [Luaka Bop/Warner Bros., 1990]
These '73-75 songs catch a poor Brazilian (albeit a Brazilian who says his dad won the lottery) on his way from pop tropicália to leftist jingles and instruments constructed from household appliances, only unlike his buddy Caetano Veloso, he puts the rebellion and satire out there in the music for benighted English speakers to hear. Zé delivers his portion of lulling lyricism, but it's his jarring rhythm-guitar hooks that you've never heard before--and will notice so fast you'll make sure you get to notice them again. The overtly pop-avant moves would have garnered desperate if imprecise Beefheart comparisons in their time, and the Arto Lindsay translations have the makings of international legend. Paul Simon should be so smart. Not to mention postmodern. A+

― dow, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 21:48 (nine years ago)

Not heard that as taht at least did just listen through Estudando o Samba and see that that had been oputon a 2fer cd which was the version I was listening to but seeems to be out of print and expensive now.
But may pick that up.

Just surprised taht nobody has that 70s stuff out currently. Is Mr Bongo working teir way through his catalogue or anything?

I have Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil cds that were pretty recent remasters when I got them aout 5 years ago. Is there a reason why they'd be done and not Zé?

― Stevolende, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 21:52 (nine years ago)

This may fit here, video of Maria Bethania with Bossa Nova Brazil from Oslo in '72
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=566405

may not be overly 'delic though so9 may not be quite tropicalia but she does have direct links with that scene

― Stevolende, Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:55 (nine years ago)

Love her

― Heez, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:48 (nine years ago)

Reminds me: here's Olof Arnalds introducing and singing "Maria Bethania", written by her brother Caetano Veloso while in exile: "She has sold her soul to the Devil and bought a flat by the sea" sounds like "Good for you, Sis." Pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf9wRViJehQ

― dow, Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:48 (nine years ago)

six years pass...

How come I never heard of this album Mande Um Abraço Pra Velha before?

― Old Man Reacts to Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 March 2023 15:09 (three years ago)

Seems like a comp, so most of it I’ve heard, but still might be useful

― Old Man Reacts to Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 March 2023 15:16 (three years ago)

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