Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

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im a 73 guy and yah the new dvd is great!!

Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Sunday, 25 July 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, fuck it, Chaki I trust you.. I will watch it again!! It just kind of seemed goofy to me. With the whole dude riding in on a joint at the beginning of the concert. Like, you almost want to shake Bill Graham and the Dead and say, "the 60's are OVER!! Didn't you guys watch 'gimme shelter'??" Plus, the Godchaux. And "Fire on the Mountain" goes on entirely too long. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Dead, don't get me wrong, but that 'FOTM' just goes on too long, sorry. But I will check it out again, as I said...

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm.. I just started watching it again, midway through the set. You know what? This version of "Friend of the Devil" is really kind of beautiful! Even Donna is kind of endearing right here! Mea culpa.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"Even Donna" - wtf?

Donna was probably just as proficient a musician as Phil Lesh (making her twice as proficient as Bob Weir) and an all around great, great vocalist. Her live performances were hit and miss due to lack of proper monitor support, everyone knows that.

She never gets a fair shake. It's not like she was Linda McCartney fer chrissakes.

The Godchauxes broght so much life (not to mention a a very vital jazz-informed musical eloquence) to The Dead. I love Pigpen and Mydland as much as the nxt guy, but the 70s are where it's AT because of Keith and Donna!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Disk one of Vol. 23 rules. I have to admit, though, that the "China Cat Sunflower" / "I Know You Rider" medley gets sooo tiresome after listening to Dick's Picks.

Rocking the Rhein is good stuff as well.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

the "Dark Star" on Rockin' the Rhein is eyeball-melting

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought Dick's Picks 22 on a fleeting whim a few days ago.
I'm a little regretful of it now.
Feb '68 show at a Lake Tahoe bowling alley. Vocals are rarely audible (which I guess isn't always a bad thing, har har).
Now I'm wanting Rockin the Rhein.
I think I need a break from the Dead.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I just listened to Reckoning this past Friday night. Always a treat to pull that one out.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

'Two From the Vault' is v.good...it's mastered or mixed really well for headphones. And at the end of 'Morning Dew' the house pulls the electricity from them, great moment.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's when you see/hear them live that it all makes sense."

Au contraire. Au contraire.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time."

i take umbrage with this comment.
and so would CCR.

me rawk.
you snow.

eedd, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Regarding my last post, in case it's not clear, I mean to say that they SUCK LIVE. I don't get it.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)


Blues for Allah is the best thing they ever did, according to me

Help/Slip/Frank rules

Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Donna's "soulful" scream at the end of "Scarlet Begonias" on Dick's Picks 7 is the most out-of-key singing I've heard on an officially released record.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

apparently there's a letter to the editor in the new Arthur from me regarding The Dead, but i haven't seen it. i can't get it here

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
HELP - I'm visiting a well-stocked Deadhead (over 300 shows) who has kindly offered to let me borrow whatever I want from his stash - any suggestions as to what I shld look out for - keep in mind that I generally prefer Dead Stuff w/ LOTS of guitar solos, the freakier the better, and am less concerned abt 'songs' per se

Thank You

Uncle John, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I just got this Jerry Garcia Band 3-CD Kean College set from 1980 that Rhino put out last fall. S'good! I'm just a dabbler in the Dead, but this is close to perfect -- nice sparse 4-piece, warmly recorded, the grooves don't overwhelm the songs and vice-versa -- I mean, the grooves are songlike, and the songs are groovelike. And maybe because he doesn't have to work to make himself heard, Jerry's playing is even more loose and gentle than usual. The solos are like barstool conversations. I think I'm going to be listening to this a lot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 9 January 2005 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

yah that shit kicks ass

chaki in charge (chaki), Sunday, 9 January 2005 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
May check out that Jerry band thing. Has anyone heard the No. 29 6CD thing from '77? Curious about that as well.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

One more chance at an answer re No. 29. I orderd the Jerry Band thing yesterday.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Not Dick's Picks, but...

Does this new version sound better:
Europe '72 Remastered with bonus tracks?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, I haven't heard 29, but I've heard that show and it is extremely good, particularly if you like the 77-78 style. You really can't go wrong with any show from 5/77 if you like that stuff (I think that period is a little over-rated, but its good). I think the Dick's Picks from Englishtown, NJ in 9/77 (I think it's like no. 21 or something) is a better show, though, so if you want a 77 show, go with that. The 77 NYE show is also shit-hot. (I think that's in the teens somewhere).

And LS, Europe 72 sounds better (though the original still sounds fine to me) and the bonus tracks are worth it.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks. I had heard Phils bass was too high in the mix or something on the reissue.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

It's higher, yeah. I guess whether it's too high is a matter of taste.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Scott. Do love 77-78 era, & I like to see a "Scarlet-->Fire" in there somewhere, so maybe 29 is worth a shot (looks like it's the only one of the '77 Dick's Picks to have one).

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I just wanted to point out for people who still don't know it...

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON GREAT LIVE DEAD RECORDINGS. Archive.org and Furthur both have plenty of 1st rate SOUNDBOARD and other high quality recordings.

Download these for starters FOR FREE:

1977-05-08 - "one of the best" (5/7 and 5/9 were good, too)

1972-05-26 - soundboard

1977-05-26 - (same month/day as above, but different year)

1977-11-06 - "one of he best"

1970-05-02 - Harpur College (hard to find, but available as a Dick's Pick if you can't find it as a free download)

1971-04-28(?) - Fillmore East

1971 - Port Chester

1969 - Ark

1973 - Pavillion

1978 - Red Rocks

1973-11-11

1972-05-26

1968-02-14

1969-03-16

1970-02-13

1970-05-06

1981-02-21

1985-04-08

Lots of these are available as soundboard (SBD), just look for it. The Soundboards from 77 were especially high quality.

Sorry the dates are not in chronological order, but I started out doing it highest quality first and then I just went through my discs and chose the best for sound quality and performance. The above represent a good many hours of great live Dead: flub-free, energetic and good singing.

... and YES, I did learn all about bold punctuation from comic books!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

dude you're paying for "dick's picks" though not full shows... no on could edit like dick.

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The above shows don't need editing, IMO. Some shows do, plenty do not!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

... besides, aren't most Dick's Picks full shows? They're mostly 3 or 4 discers, which is inkeeping with those listed above. Some were highly circulated boots before they became Dick's Picks. I think a lot of what you're paying for is some remastering, but the free soundboard FLAC or SHN shows are so high-quality they often sound like official releases.

As far as paying $$...

I think "Go To Nassau" is just FANTASTIC! "Live Without A Net" is way overlooked, too, although I can see why people wouldn't like it. It grows on you, though.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I totally left out some of the best quality I've found yet (Just downloaded recently and were in my bag):

1977-06-09 - soundboard
1977-02-26 - soundboard
1977-04-22 - soundboard
1969-02-22 - soundboard

all totally killer quality top notch, but I'm not familiar enough to tell apart the 77's yet. I think 06-09 is the one that really is blowing me away lately.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Up above that should say "best quality I've found LATELY" (not "found yet").

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

you are otm actually

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
Listening to a bunch of live Dead recently I've determined definitely my favorite eras in order of preference are:

'77 - '78
'72
'69 - '70
'74

I like the warmer, funkier mid-70s stuff more than the turn of the '70s acid, I guess. Curious if there is anything in the '80s that might interest me. Downloaded a couple of supposedly great shows from '79 and Jerry was already sounding pretty rough.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Looks like you can't download shows from archive.org anymore.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
Anybody else picked up this Rare Cuts and Oddities: 1966 thing that they are selling at gdstore.com ??

It's incredible: early Dead at their greaser/psychedelic-Tex-Mex best. The fidelity is insane too, it's like these cuts were recorded yesterday. It sounds way better than even the stuff on that Birth of the Dead comp. so crazy. There's a slowed down version of "Cream Puff War" on here that's great, a studio "Standing on the Corner", a version of "Stealin" that has an arrangement that's totally cooler than the one from the 1st single!!!!! I am not shitting you! this version of "Stealin'" is just tough ... it's just incredible. Any 1st album fan (and if you're *not* a first album fan yer nuts, get outta my face) needs to get this at once..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 23 December 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

I've been getting into these through digital download at the gdstore (considerably cheaper than the imported CDs here):

Two From the Vault (1968) - really good

Grateful Dead Download Series Number 6 (also 1968)- also very good

but Dick's Pick's 12 (1974) - which is a favourite of Suzy Creamcheese, I think , from another thread - is a soft ultra-noodley show.

Which were the more harder jamming/ rocking years?

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

67-69 are def. the dead's 'hard jamming' years - garcia esp. seemed to play w/ much more venom during this period - check out the jams on tunes like The Other One, New Potato Caboose, Alligator/Caution/Feedback, Viola Lee Blues - i think you'll dig Dick's Picks 22 (a rare 68 show that SMOKES) or the 3 disc 69 Fillmore West set that Rhino have just put out

in his autobiog Phil Lesh sez that 74 (the 'wall of sound' era) was the Dead's finest year musically, and i sorta agree w/ him - personally i like the noodle-jazz stuff they got into round about 72-74, def. post-Bitches Brew rock music (and they cld still get pretty intense when they wanted to - just a diff. sound/emphasis). garcia certainly swapped gtrs round abt 70 and that seemed to make a major diff. to his playing

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
The 60's were definately the best era, to my taste. To me the music died with Europe 72, and maybe before that.

I'm looking for the best recording of Dark Star - other than Live/Dead (which is just incredible). Is there another recording that is nearly as awesome, yet different?

Is the Greyfold 1-hour remix any good?

Other One, Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Grayfolded is really nice, you should get it.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Grayfolded actually ends up being two hours I think (2 discs).

And I don't know, '73 Dark Stars are my favorite ('73 was my favorite year). There is a capital Dark Star from one of these '73 DPs ... Dick's Picks Volume 19, maybe? '73 was a great year for Playings and Eyes, both of which are represented well on this DPs.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 21 January 2006 22:42 (twenty years ago)

What was the consensus on that 11 disk Fillmore West? Or are people still working their way through it?

I bought one but I'm keeping it in shrink-wrapped mint condition as an investment for the time being.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Saturday, 21 January 2006 23:11 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
The jazzy Star on Dick's Picks Vol. 11 (720927) is wonderful.
As are 731111 and 731206 and the wonderful Winterland 740224,
which merges into an equally beautiful Morning Dew.
This is something I probably shouldn't admit, but I'm sad enough to have
a thirteen-and-a-half hour iPod playlist, consisting of Stars from 1968 (single version)
to 891026, when the tune reappeared after a long absence, I think ...

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Dark Star reappeared at Hampton Coliseum on 10/9/89, I think. I could be wrong, but the Nighfall of Diamonds release was from a show around that time.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Dark Star reappeared at Hampton Coliseum on 10/9/89, I think.
You're right, of course. The audience reaction there is fantastic.
I think the 891026 Star is considered o be one of the best late ones
and it's the only one I've got from that year.
The Rotterdam one (720511) is another favourite of mine.

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:31 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Yeah, what happened to archive? Do they only allow streaming now or what?

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)

You can download audience recordings but not the soundboards.

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...
Are Dick's Picks history?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 11 January 2007 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

let's hope so.

the table is the table (treesessplode), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:41 (nineteen years ago)

Can't really tell ... they've been releasing stuff all over the place, so it's tough to keep track. I know they just released July 4th '89, which kinda sucks because it's been available in SBD for so long. But I guess a ton of shows have. And I guess that's why I haven't bothered with a Dick's Picks in ages (although they all tend to be great).

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:43 (nineteen years ago)

ALTHOUGH I dug out the So Many Roads recently, which I'll throw into SEARCH.

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah it's really cool to hear Elvis Costello's reminiscences

J. Sam, Tuesday, 7 October 2025 02:27 (eight months ago)

Just thirding(?) the love for the Bickershaw show, that was one of the first Europe '72 full shows that I fell for when I started to dig in.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 14:36 (eight months ago)

that Bickershaw "The Other One" should have been my gateway into the dead 20 years ago when i was getting into Oneida.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 7 October 2025 14:58 (eight months ago)

Another reminder to keep up with the official Deadcast, Jesse Jarnow is doing some amazing work. Still somewhat stunned that an officially branded podcast from the band has turned out to be so impressive.

Love how he connects "King Solomon’s Marbles/’Stronger Than Dirt or Milkin’ the Turkey" to what CAN was doing in a similar timeframe on the new ep.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 14:51 (eight months ago)

absolutely one of the best podcasts!

encino morricone (majorairbro), Thursday, 9 October 2025 03:58 (eight months ago)

The two German live collections 'Rockin the Rhein' and especially 'Hundred Year Hall' are the two Europe 72 shows I listen to the most of that tour outside the original LP. They set course to the sun on Hundred Year Hall, that one has some pretty inspired psych jamming.

earlnash, Friday, 10 October 2025 03:00 (eight months ago)

Somehow the deadcast is turning Music Never Stopped into a fascinating window into a GD era that doesn’t get much attention. These ppl are doing great work.

tobo73, Friday, 10 October 2025 14:33 (eight months ago)

Yeah, this episode is great too!

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 October 2025 14:39 (eight months ago)

The early and fast China Cat Sunflower on Road Trips Vol. 2, No. 2 (02/24/68) is so good. Makes me wish we got a 68 Truckin' or Sugar Magnolia or something.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 11 October 2025 22:22 (eight months ago)

Been spending a lot of time this week on Phil & Friends Quintet era shows, getting convinced this was the best post-Jerry band and really wishing I’d have been dialed in enough back in 2001 to see them.

There absolutely needs to be an official Phil Bombs series of official live recordings.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 12 October 2025 00:57 (eight months ago)

When was the quintet era? I saw them in November 1999 opening for Dylan at Temple U. and wasn't a big enough Dead fan to appreciate it. In fact, I could have seen them in July 2000 at Merriweather Post Pavillion , but I left after Dylan opened :(

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Sunday, 12 October 2025 01:18 (eight months ago)

September 2000 to December 2003, mostly. The shows I love most are in 2001 mostly though.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 12 October 2025 01:42 (eight months ago)

Got listening to some Jerry Garcia Band. That live show from 76 put out as "Don't Let Go" is an interesting listen. The title track is a total New Orleans/Little Feat groove.

earlnash, Sunday, 12 October 2025 23:59 (eight months ago)

His take on “Don’t Let Go” was my entry point to the Dead, and yeah that New Orleans groove was what did it.

Milli Vanillibilly (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 October 2025 12:29 (eight months ago)

i saw Phil a bunch of times in that 2000-2002 era, with Steve Kimock and either Warren Haynes or Jimmy Herring as the guitarists. They were spectacular. John Molo on drums really conspired with Phil to keep things loose and exploratory and psychedelic.

I assume Phish connections are a turn off for some of you (though I know you are sympathetic, jvc!), but I believe the very first shows billed as "Phil & Friends" were April '99 with Trey and Page from Phish, alongside Kimock and Molo. They are excellent, and mythic in the Phish world. Highly recommend, and there are great recordings out there on archive.org and other places

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 21 October 2025 19:36 (seven months ago)

Oh yeah, I love those shows! So much better than the Fare Thee Well shows with Trey. Seconding that highest recommendation, if you can plug your nose at the Phish connection.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 October 2025 19:37 (seven months ago)

I have a soft spot for Fare Thee Well cause it's the only time I saw Phil play (and I like Trey a lot actually). But the more I hear Further, the Dead, Phil and Friends etc shows from the late 90s early 2000s the more I think they're so much better than Dead and Slow. I'm not mad about the D and C shows I saw but I haven't been in 5 years and don't see going anymore.

encino morricone (majorairbro), Wednesday, 22 October 2025 01:06 (seven months ago)

Going through things trying to get organized, I got my Dead CDs out. Gave Dicks Picks 24 which was the maiden voyage of the Wall of Sound and the Road Trips from Valentines Day 68. They play "Dark Star" so fast on that one. I always really liked both of those live shows.

earlnash, Saturday, 25 October 2025 03:16 (seven months ago)

The early and fast China Cat Sunflower on Road Trips Vol. 2, No. 2 (02/24/68) is so good. Makes me wish we got a 68 Truckin' or Sugar Magnolia or something.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, October 11, 2025 6:22 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

That 68 show is the same one I mentioned a couple of weeks ago (though I had a typo in the date). Dark Star > China Cat Sunflower > The Eleven with the gas to the floor is so good.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 25 October 2025 12:24 (seven months ago)

If you ever want a fresh listen of DP24, the full-show soundboard on archive.org is absolutely worth a listen – imo wildly better in some places and makes some DP24 tracks sound quiet / aggressively mixed (compare the Chinacat -> Rider).

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Saturday, 25 October 2025 12:46 (seven months ago)


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