That's not quite the same, given that surely votes for "Inside Susan" were for the song "Inside Susan", not the related songs that make up the story (which also includes "The Babysitter").
― unskinny blap (edwardo), Thursday, 3 November 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp I kind of know what you mean re: the final tracks- When I listen to the album straight through, I'm pretty much done with it by then. The album starts strong, peaks massively, hits a little turbulence at "TV Movie", and then by "Sylvia" I'm starting to feel filthy and nauseous. The last thing I need at that point is more songs. But "Glory Days" and "The Day After the Revolution" are so great (especially "Glory Days")! It just took me a while to realize it. Actually, now that I think of it, I like "TV Movie" too. That incongruous, tuneless whistle halfway through makes me lol every time, and I like the way he spits out, "Why pre-TTTEND any longer?" There's really no duds on this album, in my opinion. I guess the one I'm most likely to skip is "Seductive Barry".
― epistantophus, Thursday, 3 November 2011 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
BLASPHEMY
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Thursday, 3 November 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
lol I know, I was waiting for that
― epistantophus, Thursday, 3 November 2011 01:37 (twelve years ago) link
the songs at the end aren't bad per se, i just feel they're done a disservice by the sequencing (although i do prefer "Cocaine Socialism" to "Glory Days")
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Thursday, 3 November 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
a) if I'd thought my vote wasn't for the three-song-suite, I would have voted for Stacks instead
b) there's no separation on the list for Jarvis vs Nancy versions of Don't Let Him Waste Your Time so
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i specifically voted for stacks, not that into '59' and wouldn't have rated the titular song that highly tbqh
― love of gorillagrams (electricsound), Thursday, 3 November 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
a[ii]) I just checked and my ballot specifically says 05. Inside Susan: A Story in 3 Parts
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
IIRC there was only one Nancy vote, but I should have clarified Stacks :(
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
ppl may have been happily allowing their Don't Let Him votes to go to either. I assumed mine (for Nancy) would be combined with specific Jarvis and nonspecific votes the way remixes are on other tracks polls, and the division merely footnoted. (which I guess happened, just without the footnoting?)
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
I would have liked to contribute to this earlier, but my home state of New Jersey has fallen victim to a crazy October blizzard which has incapacitated the entire state. I've been without power for five days. People let me tell you, leaves + snow = catastrophe
Anyway, here is my ballot
Common PeoplePink GloveA Little SoulI’m A ManParty HardSomething ChangedDisco 2000Do You Remember The First TimeHelp The AgedDishesMis-ShapesGlory DaysUnderwearThe Day After The RevolutionPencil SkirtThis is HardcoreSunriseRoadkillLipglossAngela
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 3 November 2011 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
Nancy's "Don't Let It Waste Your Time" > Jarvis'sJarvis's "Baby's Coming Back To Me" > Nancy's though
― unskinny blap (edwardo), Thursday, 3 November 2011 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
With all errors fixed since full results posted, as well as artist names differentiated.. I also changed the vote for Inside Susan: ASITP to Stacks as Sic said he would've voted for that one in particular if he had to? My Inside Susan vote was for that song, in particular - if others who only put Inside Susan meant the trilogy we can hash it out further!
For ties I used any number one votes as a tiebreaker, if there wasn't one I used how many people voted, when that was no different either they become, e.g., 31.1 and 31.2 which I think ended up alphabetically.
1 - Common People - Pulp - 641 points - 21 votes, 5 number ones2 - This Is Hardcore - Pulp - 559 points - 25 votes, 2 number ones3 - Do You Remember The First Time? - Pulp - 477 points - 21 votes, 0 number ones4 - Pink Glove - Pulp - 474 points - 17 votes, 3 number ones5 - Babies - Pulp - 474 points - 17 votes, 2 number ones6 - Disco 2000 - Pulp - 365 points - 13 votes, 2 number ones7 - Seconds - Pulp - 327 points - 13 votes, 2 number ones8 - Something changed - Pulp - 326 points - 13 votes, 1 number ones9 - Razzmatazz - Pulp - 319 points - 15 votes, 0 number ones10 - Lipgloss - Pulp - 309 points - 16 votes, 0 number ones11 - Underwear - Pulp - 296 points - 14 votes, 0 number ones12 - Help the Aged - Pulp - 279 points - 14 votes, 0 number ones13 - F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E. - Pulp - 264 points - 11 votes, 0 number ones14 - Acrylic Afternoons - Pulp - 257 points - 12 votes, 0 number ones15 - I Spy - Pulp - 247 points - 12 votes, 1 number ones16 - Mis-shapes - Pulp - 242 points - 11 votes, 0 number ones17 - A Little Soul - Pulp - 241 points - 11 votes, 0 number ones18 - My Legendary Girlfriend - Pulp - 233 points - 11 votes, 1 number ones19 - The Fear - Pulp - 229 points - 10 votes, 1 number ones20 - Sorted for E's & Wizz - Pulp - 225 points - 10 votes, 0 number ones21 - She's A Lady - Pulp - 222 points - 11 votes, 0 number ones22 - Like A Friend - Pulp - 211 points - 9 votes, 1 number ones23 - Dishes - Pulp - 197 points - 8 votes, 1 number ones24 - Your Sister's Clothes - Pulp - 196 points - 9 votes, 0 number ones25 - O.U. (Gone Gone) - Pulp - 189 points - 8 votes, 1 number ones26 - The Trees - Pulp - 174 points - 7 votes, 1 number ones27 - His 'n' Hers - Pulp - 173 points - 7 votes, 1 number ones28 - Sheffield: Sex City - Pulp - 166 points - 8 votes, 0 number ones29 - Wickerman - Pulp - 163 points - 7 votes, 1 number ones30 - Sunrise - Pulp - 161 points - 9 votes, 0 number ones31 - Bad Cover Version - Pulp - 150 points - 8 votes, 0 number ones32 - Death II - Pulp - 143 points - 6 votes, 1 number ones33 - Joyriders - Pulp - 138 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones34.1 - Countdown - Pulp - 124 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones34.2 - The Night that Minnie Temperley Died - Pulp - 124 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones35 - Blue Girls - Pulp - 116 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones36 - Mile End - Pulp - 114 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones37 - Glory Days - Pulp - 101 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones38 - Pencil Skirt - Pulp - 96 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones39.1 - Live Bed Show - Pulp - 96 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones39.2 - Party Hard - Pulp - 96 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones40.1 - I Want You - Pulp - 91 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones40.2 - Running the World - Jarvis Cocker - 91 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones41 - Bar Italia - Pulp - 88 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones42 - Little Girl (With Blue Eyes) - Pulp - 88 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones43 - Styloroc (Nites of Suburbia) - Pulp - 85 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones44 - Don't Let Him Waste Your Time - Jarvis Cocker - 84 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones45 - Inside Susan - Pulp - 80 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones46 - Stacks - Pulp - 79 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones47 - Love is Blind - Pulp - 77 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones48 - Ansaphone - Pulp - 77 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones49 - Weeds - Pulp - 76 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones50 - Monday Morning - Pulp - 74 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones51 - Sliding Through Life On Charm - Marianne Faithfull - 72 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones52 - First Man in Space - All Seeing I - 69 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones53 - Have You Seen Her Lately? - Pulp - 67 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones54 - Synchronize - Jarvis Cocker w/Discodeine - 65 points - 3 votes, 1 number ones55 - Set the Controls for the Heart of the Pelvis - Barry Adamson - 63 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones56 - Walk like a Panther - All Seeing I - 62 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones57 - The Birds in Your Garden - Pulp - 60 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones58 - Ciao! - Lush - 59 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones59 - Seductive Barry - Pulp - 58 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones60 - Wishful Thinking - Pulp - 56 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones61 - The Day After The Revolution - Pulp - 55 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones62 - Big Julie - Jarvis Cocker - 54 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones63 - Street Lites - Pulp - 52 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones64 - She's Dead - Pulp - 52 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones65 - David's Last Summer - Pulp - 51 points - 2 votes, 1 number ones66 - Dogs are Everywhere - Pulp - 50 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones67 - I'm A Man - Pulp - 46 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones68 - Sylvia - Pulp - 45 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones69 - Death Goes to the Disco - Pulp - 42 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones70 - Love Love - Pulp - 40 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones71 - I Will Kill Again - Jarvis Cocker - 40 points - 1 votes, 1 number ones72 - The Babysitter - Pulp - 39 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones73 - Happy Endings - Pulp - 38 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones74 - I Love Life - Pulp - 36 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones75 - The Facts Of Life (The Chocolate Layers Remix) - Black Box Recorder - 36 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones76 - Cocaine Socialism - Pulp - 35 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones77 - My Lighthouse - Pulp - 33 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones78 - Roadkill - Pulp - 31 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones79 - Everybody's Problem - Pulp - 30 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones80 - Someone Like The Moon - Pulp - 27 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones81 - You're A Nightmare - Pulp - 25 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones82 - Separations - Pulp - 25 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones83.1 - Deep Fried in Kelvin - Pulp - 24 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones83.2 - Don't You Know - Pulp - 24 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones83.3 - Maureen - Pulp - 24 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones84 - PTA - Pulp - 23 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones85 - Morning Dew (cover) - Pulp - 22 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones86.1 - They Suffocate At Night - Pulp - 21 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones86.2 - We Love Life - Pulp - 21 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones87 - Fuckingsong - Jarvis Cocker - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones88.1 - Last Man in Space - All Seeing I - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones88.2 - TV Movie - Pulp - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones88.3 - We Are the Boyz - Pulp - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones88.4 - You're In My Eyes (Discosong) - Jarvis Cocker - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones89.1 - 97 Lovers - Pulp - 18 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones89.2 - Last Day of the Miners' Strike - Pulp - 18 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones90 - Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris (Jarvis Cocker) - 17 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones91.1 - Billy Jack - Relaxed Muscle - 16 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones91.2 - Heavy Weather - Jarvis Cocker - 16 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones92 - Fairground - Pulp - 15 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones93.1 - Being Followed Home - Pulp - 13 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones93.2 - Don't Let Him Waste Your Time - Nancy Sinatra - 13 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones93.3 - We Can Dance Again - Pulp - 13 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones94.1 - Aborigine - Pulp - 12 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones94.2 - Blue Glow - Pulp - 12 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones94.3 - Further Complications - Jarvis Cocker - 12 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones94.4 - Weeds II - Pulp - 12 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones95.1 - Angela - Jarvis Cocker - 11 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones95.2 - Don't You Want Me Anymore? - Pulp - 11 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones95.3 - Grandfather's Nursery - Pulp - 11 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones95.4 - I Never Said I Was Deep - Jarvis Cocker - 11 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
So vote-splitting means the conservatives won Inside Susan got knocked out of contention! But Stacks placed higher! :)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
Here's my ballot. Very Intro/H'n'H heavy.
1 David's Last Summer2 Acrylic afternoons3 Razzamatazz4 Pink Glove5 Stacks6 Inside Susan7 Common People8 Sorted for Es and Wizz9 Do you remember the first time?10 Joyriders11 OU12 Help the aged13 Lipgloss14 Seconds15 I Spy16 Running the World (Jarvis Cocker)17 Cocaine Socialism18 First Man in space (All Seeing I)19 Your Sister's Clothes20 Sheffield: Sex City
― you don't exist in the database (woof), Thursday, 3 November 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
1. Pink Glove2. Disco 20003. Common People4. Something Changed5. Joyriders6. Little Girl (With Blue Eyes)7. Happy Endings8. Sylvia9. Lipgloss10. I Spy11. I Want You12. This is Hardcore13. Glory Days14. The Birds in Your Garden15. A Little Soul16. Your Sister's Clothes17. Dogs are Everywhere18. She's a Lady19. Weeds II20. Sunrise
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
The album starts strong, peaks massively, hits a little turbulence at "TV Movie", and then by "Sylvia" I'm starting to feel filthy and nauseous. The last thing I need at that point is more songs. But "Glory Days" and "The Day After the Revolution" are so great (especially "Glory Days")! It just took me a while to realize it. Actually, now that I think of it, I like "TV Movie" too. That incongruous, tuneless whistle halfway through makes me lol every time, and I like the way he spits out, "Why pre-TTTEND any longer?" There's really no duds on this album, in my opinion. I guess the one I'm most likely to skip is "Seductive Barry".
I agree with nearly all of this ... when I finally got into "Glory Days" and "The Day After the Revolution", TIH went from being the "difficult follow-up to DC" to "maybe the best Pulp album?" for me. The weak links are "TV Movie" (although it works well as a sort-of intermission to the album), "Party Hard", and "Seductive Barry" (Pulp could never do epics and should have never recorded a song longer than seven minutes).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
My #1, "My Legendary Girlfriend" is a sentimental favorite for me since it was the first Pulp song I heard, and Separations was the first album I bought - and only one I had for a long time. Pulp was never popular in the US (none of their singles charted here, and Hardcore was the only album that even made the top 200), so I had no idea until many years later that they'd become huge in their home country and elsewhere. I still wasn't aware "Common People" was their smash hit or signature song - I've never heard it on the radio.
I decided to make things easier on myself by considering only Pulp songs - no JC solo, collaborations, or guest appearances (although I would have loved to include "Fuckingsong"). I somehow forgot to include "...First Time" on my ballot, but am relieved to see that didn't affect its placement; indeed I would have probably put it at #3. My ballot:
1. My Legendary Girlfriend2. The Fear3. Blue Girls4. Ansaphone5. Babies6. Separations7. Acrylic Afternoons8. Underwear9. Morning Dew10. O.U.11. Love Love12. This Is Hardcore13. 97 Lovers14. Live Bed Show15. I Want You16. Glory Days17 .My Lighthouse18. Being Followed Home19. Weeds20. Sunrise
- 11 songs that placed in the top 41- 4 songs that nobody else voted for
― Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
I wish you had voted for Fuckingsong! I did. It probably still wouldn't have placed but at least I'd get to think about it twice. In fact, I think I'll put that on right now.. :)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
That song pretty much sums up Jarvis's ethos for me
― Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
It's sort of the less-creepy PTA, no? Or at least - PTA might not have grossed me out as much if he wrote about it as if "it's just a fucking song." N.B. I'm fine being grossed out by him.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
I never made that connection, but yes P.T.A. is creepy. FS is more like JC's message to groupies that IRL he can't live up to their image of him, so they're best off just listening to their favorite records since they'll always live up to your expectations. Or something like that....
― Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
That interpretation makes sense.. I had just thought of it as "the perfect girl" or somesuch with his allusions to how in real life he's late, messy, etc. Hey, the teenage girl inside me is satisfied! ;)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I just stumbled across http://www.jarviscocker.net/ which I had never visited before and am having great fun watching him eat an apple, read a book, etc in the header. Teehee!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
The weak links are "TV Movie" (although it works well as a sort-of intermission to the album), "Party Hard", and "Seductive Barry" (Pulp could never do epics and should have never recorded a song longer than seven minutes).
i disagree with this so much! "Seductive Barry" and "You're In My Eyes (Discosong)" off the last Jarvis solo album were both on my ballot because i think he's GREAT at the 8-minute slow burn (and i probably wouldn't mind if the 6-minute slow burns like "F.E.E.L.I.N.G." and "This Is Hardcore" were a bit longer). those songs are really just masterful achievements in pacing and mood.
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Friday, 4 November 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
Told my husband to guess which song placed #1 and he guessed Song 2 ;_; He's more of a soul man. But still. Sob!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
I also tried to seduce him with Fuckingsong and he laughed at me :P
Told my husband to guess which song placed #1 and he guessed Song 2
this is fantastic
― dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
Song 2 haha aww he's trying
― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
awwww
― Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
PULP, PLUP, BLUR... hey it is almost an anagram if you add a few pen strokes....
― Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
To be fair, he knows I am (was) a massive Blur fan too.. so I guess he blanked a bit, since he doesn't post to ILX or anything. He gets partial points. :)
Has anyone ever noticed that Pulp always uses "Yeah, yeah, yeah!" as filler but Blur's always on the "La la la"? Not 100% of the time but I once told him that's an easy way to guess if I'm playing a Pulp or a Blur song, heh. And Song 2 does end with "Awwwww... yeah."
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
I always thought it ended with an S bomb
― Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe it does!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
Just throwing this out there, but I'd be totally down with taking part in an ILM This is Hardcore tribute album, where we recast the songs into different genres (e.g. "The Fear" as a dance track, "Party Hard" as a country song, "This is Hardcore" as industrial, etc. etc.)
― epistantophus, Saturday, 5 November 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
Aww, yeah you guys should do it. I've no musical ability whatsoever however.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 5 November 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
That could be an asset, not a liability! You could do an a capella track, or a kazoo track, or a minimalist lo-fi casio track!
― epistantophus, Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
Listening to Pulp to prepare for the show, I've come across a few songs that should have ranked higher or at all:
Separations - I forgot about the actual song! "Let's Do It.."the Mark of the Devil
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.acrylicafternoons.com/images/rc4.jpg
― Mark G, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
Oh the 80s!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
I have decided: I have a new favorite Pulp albm.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
I agree!
― . (Michael B), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 08:48 (five years ago) link
Yep: always thought so.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 09:26 (five years ago) link