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c'mon dog nobody fucked with "speedin'"...i had to look at ross's wiki page to remember that song even existed just now, i was like "i know SOMETHING flopped before 'the boss' but i can't remember what'

ross is winning right now though, hes on how many charting singles?

spreading this out over 4 years in this environment, of course hes got some flops, what major label artist doesnt

"here i am" was a pretty genuine hit, the response to it didn't seem as perfunctory and indifferent as to "push it" or "super high" (xpost)

and 9ball is actually a minor hit right? i mean, i think its wack/confusing, but its the only one i dont really like and it is successful

'super high' is awesome

obviously ross is huge right now (no pun intended) and is on a lot of records, but i brought up this convo in direct response to j0rdan acting like "9 piece" (which is a very, very minor hit) being a dud single was some kind of shock in the context of his career

i mean people treat ross like he's at the level of t.i. in his prime but at the point tip had been that big for this long he had like an hour's worth of bangers everyone can fuck with, ross has like 3 enduring songs and a bunch of guest verses on hits where he's never the best thing about the song

i think people treat Ross as more of a Diddy than a TIP

or really, a mixture of the two

Ross certainly has more than 3 enduring songs

tip's maybe not the strongest possible analogy but i have no idea where diddy comes into this

yeah I don't get the diddy thing at all

Ross has lots of enduring songs, most of which weren't singles but most of his singles are great! Honestly, his catalog is more consistent than TI's imo but I was never a huge TI fan tbh

ok so there's hustlin', bmf, the boss, maaaaybe here i am and aston martin music? you might like other songs but his catalog is not bustling with undeniable unforgettable classics is all i'm saying.

i mean you might love "super high" but nobody remembers that song and it came out LAST YEAR

by Diddy I'm talking about late 90s diddy -- he's executing large numbers of hits that dont have a distinctive 'sound', they're just big, larger than life, theatrical pop tracks with huge expensive videos etc. i mean, i think the diddy comparison is obvious

mc hammer, maybach music, MAFIA MUSIC, i'm not a star....

"I'm a Boss" is a Ross track as much as it is a Meek Mill one. that was like the anthem this summer

whats the 'mmmmaybe' on aston martin music? i still hear that on the radio

Ross is definitely as much a producer (in the widest, diddiest sense) as much as he is a rapper. t.i. is definitely more rapper than anything else. I like T.I.'s catalog more but he's a better rapper & more of an album artist, Ross is all about the art of the top 40 single

dude Ross has made two Top 40 singles in his entire career

I don't agree with that though, Ross' albums are all good front-to-back. I definitely see him as an album artist, Deeper Than rap is as complete an album as any T.I. album

ok the art of the pop rap single if u prefer

I don't agree with that though, Ross' albums are all good front-to-back. I definitely see him as an album artist, Deeper Than rap is as complete an album as any T.I. album

― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

eh, hes not a rapper like T.I. is though, T.I. has people invested in who he is, in a multi-dimensional sense; there are lots of great songs on his albums that couldn't be singles & are just straight raw rapping. I feel like if a Ross song doesn't seem like a good pop song, like the kind of thing that might have a shot at charting, it tends to also just be bad overall

'charting' is probably misleading -- i mean, Ross is at his best at a meeting point between rap & pop, whereas T.I. doesn't lean as heavily on the aesthetics of pop -- whether or not it charts for Ross is kind of irrelevant since i'm talking about creative success in this particular instance

Kind of having trouble buying that when T.I. is the dude who makes songs like "Whatever You Like"

like 'ASAP' by T.I., or 'be better than me,' neither of those are the kinds of singles that get big expensive videos or have the biggest R&B singers on them, or aspire to be widescreen theatrical pop music. Ross, though, is totally in this lane

xp yeah but "whatever you like" is a weak song relative to "asap"

eh, hes not a rapper like T.I. is though, T.I. has people invested in who he is, in a multi-dimensional sense; there are lots of great songs on his albums that couldn't be singles & are just straight raw rapping. I feel like if a Ross song doesn't seem like a good pop song, like the kind of thing that might have a shot at charting, it tends to also just be bad overall

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

totally ("mafia music" being the obvious exception)

and to be fair to tip he didn't do any goofy shit like "whatever you like" until his sixth album

But Ross has songs like "Valley Of Death," "Tears Of Joy," and "We Shinin'" that definitely aren't "singles" but are just good album-track pure rap songs...

Deeper Than rap is as complete an album as any T.I. album

― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:15 PM (4 minutes ago)

wow brainwasher more like mouthwasher, which is what u need to do right now

lol, I just meant that it's a good ALBUM QUA ALBUM and not just a collection of singles or w/e

lol kevin

should maybe wash out his brain too

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i'm sad that i napped thru this whole discussion

ross' softbatch singles are generally pretty worthless -- deej's repping for "super high" is bizarre unless you're counting the remix which is actually a minor classic, "speedin" and "magnificent" are just total nonentities... altho "here i am" is one of his best singles. idk, i think shipley is def underrating him... if anything last year showcased that billboard numbers aren't matching up w/ how the 'community' feels it's that BMF wasn't even big on the charts but is going to be one of the landmark rap singles of this decade. i think the thing w/ ross is that very rarely does he put out an awful single... everyone prob fucks w/ a good number of his singles, the other ones are bland enough that no one really remembers them.

i think the charts reflected "BMF"'s popularity pretty well, it was his 2nd biggest single on the R&B chart to date, didn't do much on the pop charts but obviously it was never going to be a "black and yellow" type crossover hit

ross doesn't have many outright awful songs true but that's one of benefits of having zero creativity or inkling to take any kind of risk or surprise anyone ever

having zero creativity or inkling to take any kind of risk or surprise anyone ever

this surprised me, lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsKhwg63S64

the best thing he ever did was being able to transition the persona of "rick ross" into the music of rick ross. his music initially was kind of thrown at the wall initially but it was all sorta held together by his image, but around 'deeper than rap' when he locked into that lush, expensive, luxurious, orchestral kinda sound i think the tone and direction of his career changed and he was taken more seriously by critics, fans and peers. and even now he can do street stuff like BMF (or "mafia music" or "i'm a star") that just sound HUGE and feel like an outgrowth of the expansive justice league stuff

like, i like "i'm a boss" and "here i am" a lot but if ross made those songs now you'd just be like... these are so minor, not even in terms of quality but just how they try and approach the listener

er, no "i'm a boss" but w/e the one w/ t-pain is. "the boss"

also how dare anyone question "Maybach Music 2"

i question the way t-pain pronounces "myooozeeek" and the infuriatingly smug way lil wayne says "well alright" at the beginning of his verse

wtf is 'bizarre' about repping for the original 'super high' ?? thats a dope song

it's definitely not

the production is good (shocker) but those overly heavy r&b ross songs are just kinda really mushy to me

i think "purple rain over central park chillin with my goons" is the moment i decided rick ross was a good rapper

yeah, j0rdan, i just totally disagree. expensive production, R&B superstar choruses, that stuff is part & parcel of the ross aesthetic. i mean aston martin music relies incredibly heavily on it & thats one of his best

"super high" as a concept & production was put to 1 million x better use on the remix

i don't know, "super high" and "magnificent" just feel really canned and uninspired to me

bougie r&b club ross is good ross imo

all the ross songs i really like (blow, mafia music, i'm not a star) are all the straight up rap bangers, i never really understood why someone who got his first hit with a song like 'hustlin' would kind of voluntarily make cheeseball r&b his niche