OJ Da Juiceman Freshman Freestyle POLL

ok are you seriously trying to say that "ten rings on like a basketball player/ freshman of the year like a basketball player" is a totally standard beanie sigel-style same word rhyme

― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:32 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lots of rappers do this & its not different; whats lame about his freestyle isnt just that line by itself, its that theres no other content there. 2 chainz does this. its not inherently bad

really think he should make the 'basketball player' thing a phrase he uses to end every line a la Juvenile's "Ha"

the deej/whiney/al bitchfest in the middle of this thread is one of the most entertaining and vicious exchanges i've ever read on ilm

yeah, good times

obviously the main thing about the line is that it's the closest thing to an actual couplet in the whole little 'freestyle' and wouldn't be that noteworthy dropped in the middle of 16 bars. but i think deej is underestimating how it works (or fails to work, i should say) on several levels. like, usually rappers allude to basketball players having a lot of rings as in championship rings, but he's like a freshman basketball player (presumably college ball, since it's 'freshman' and not 'rookie') who hasn't played in any championships yet?

ten rings on like a basketball player
freshman of the year like a basketball (,) player

isn't as bad/confounding as

nine piece, straight 8 balls
mjg, bitch i got 8 balls

oj doesn't know better, but ross just delights in bending over and taking a shit on people like you who call him a great rapper

either in one of those lines he's saying that he has eight testicles, or he just makes two references to eight balls of cocaine, or i have no idea what he's talking about

that chorus seriously turns my brain into a pretzel

ross is a great rapper! which is why "9 piece" was so disappointing as a single choice

80% of his singles have been disappointing by any measure

well that's true too

? which ones?

i'd say it's closer to 50% than 80%

or 40%

doesnt Al hate BMF?

i do but it's obv too popular to be in the 'disappointing by any measure' category

in any event he has like 3 singles people genuinely like out of 20

o_O

the club goes crazy when the dj throws on "who gives a shit" featuring john legend or "remember that funny video" featuring r. kelly?

i mean for LEAD SINGLES off of NUMBER ONE ALBUMS they're kind of non-entities

I like both of those songs, and they were popular songs when they dropped and got played in clubs so... idgi

like, looking through his singles on Wikipedia the only ones that are questionable are:

"Here I Am"
(featuring Nelly and Avery Storm)

"Maybach Music 2"
(featuring Kanye West, T-Pain and Lil Wayne)

"9 Piece"
(featuring Lil Wayne)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll9n6z0rZX1qgz15c.jpg

c'mon dog nobody fucked with "speedin'"...i had to look at ross's wiki page to remember that song even existed just now, i was like "i know SOMETHING flopped before 'the boss' but i can't remember what'

ross is winning right now though, hes on how many charting singles?

spreading this out over 4 years in this environment, of course hes got some flops, what major label artist doesnt

"here i am" was a pretty genuine hit, the response to it didn't seem as perfunctory and indifferent as to "push it" or "super high" (xpost)

and 9ball is actually a minor hit right? i mean, i think its wack/confusing, but its the only one i dont really like and it is successful

'super high' is awesome

obviously ross is huge right now (no pun intended) and is on a lot of records, but i brought up this convo in direct response to j0rdan acting like "9 piece" (which is a very, very minor hit) being a dud single was some kind of shock in the context of his career

i mean people treat ross like he's at the level of t.i. in his prime but at the point tip had been that big for this long he had like an hour's worth of bangers everyone can fuck with, ross has like 3 enduring songs and a bunch of guest verses on hits where he's never the best thing about the song

i think people treat Ross as more of a Diddy than a TIP

or really, a mixture of the two

Ross certainly has more than 3 enduring songs

tip's maybe not the strongest possible analogy but i have no idea where diddy comes into this

yeah I don't get the diddy thing at all

Ross has lots of enduring songs, most of which weren't singles but most of his singles are great! Honestly, his catalog is more consistent than TI's imo but I was never a huge TI fan tbh

ok so there's hustlin', bmf, the boss, maaaaybe here i am and aston martin music? you might like other songs but his catalog is not bustling with undeniable unforgettable classics is all i'm saying.

i mean you might love "super high" but nobody remembers that song and it came out LAST YEAR

by Diddy I'm talking about late 90s diddy -- he's executing large numbers of hits that dont have a distinctive 'sound', they're just big, larger than life, theatrical pop tracks with huge expensive videos etc. i mean, i think the diddy comparison is obvious

mc hammer, maybach music, MAFIA MUSIC, i'm not a star....

"I'm a Boss" is a Ross track as much as it is a Meek Mill one. that was like the anthem this summer

whats the 'mmmmaybe' on aston martin music? i still hear that on the radio

Ross is definitely as much a producer (in the widest, diddiest sense) as much as he is a rapper. t.i. is definitely more rapper than anything else. I like T.I.'s catalog more but he's a better rapper & more of an album artist, Ross is all about the art of the top 40 single

dude Ross has made two Top 40 singles in his entire career

I don't agree with that though, Ross' albums are all good front-to-back. I definitely see him as an album artist, Deeper Than rap is as complete an album as any T.I. album

ok the art of the pop rap single if u prefer

I don't agree with that though, Ross' albums are all good front-to-back. I definitely see him as an album artist, Deeper Than rap is as complete an album as any T.I. album

― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

eh, hes not a rapper like T.I. is though, T.I. has people invested in who he is, in a multi-dimensional sense; there are lots of great songs on his albums that couldn't be singles & are just straight raw rapping. I feel like if a Ross song doesn't seem like a good pop song, like the kind of thing that might have a shot at charting, it tends to also just be bad overall

'charting' is probably misleading -- i mean, Ross is at his best at a meeting point between rap & pop, whereas T.I. doesn't lean as heavily on the aesthetics of pop -- whether or not it charts for Ross is kind of irrelevant since i'm talking about creative success in this particular instance

Kind of having trouble buying that when T.I. is the dude who makes songs like "Whatever You Like"

like 'ASAP' by T.I., or 'be better than me,' neither of those are the kinds of singles that get big expensive videos or have the biggest R&B singers on them, or aspire to be widescreen theatrical pop music. Ross, though, is totally in this lane

xp yeah but "whatever you like" is a weak song relative to "asap"

eh, hes not a rapper like T.I. is though, T.I. has people invested in who he is, in a multi-dimensional sense; there are lots of great songs on his albums that couldn't be singles & are just straight raw rapping. I feel like if a Ross song doesn't seem like a good pop song, like the kind of thing that might have a shot at charting, it tends to also just be bad overall

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

totally ("mafia music" being the obvious exception)

and to be fair to tip he didn't do any goofy shit like "whatever you like" until his sixth album

But Ross has songs like "Valley Of Death," "Tears Of Joy," and "We Shinin'" that definitely aren't "singles" but are just good album-track pure rap songs...