so, were oasis part of the deeper creation records story? like, used to pal around with JAMC or something? or did they just show up fully formed one day and watch the money come pouring in?
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
more like fagend of Madchester, pals with Inspirals etc
― zappi, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
Pahh, you kidding? It'll be a straight 1hr 53 minutes of Oasis.
― kelpolaris, Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:58 (6 days ago)
almost an hour in and no oasis (except talking head noel)
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
or did they just show up fully formed one day and watch the money come pouring in?― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:47 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:47 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
That description pretty much covers it.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
so 68 mins then
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
Have they mentioned that bloke who used to hang out around here?
― djh, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
Got this taped tonight. So, is it any good? (I want lots of 89/90 Ride etc.)
― kraudive, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
xpost no I don't think so.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe the "at the BBC" show, maybe.
No M0mus. Nowhere enough Telescopes ;_;
― emil.y, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
Nice to see that Upside Down documentary wasn't "all about Oasis", and that the Super Furry Animals got a mention right at the end (as they should, since they were probably McGee's last great signing to the label). But I don't think it told the "full story" about the demise of Creation, y'know... absolutely nothing about 'Be Here Now', or the reaction to Kevin Rowland's 'My Beauty', or Mishka... which was surely one of McGee's great follies and came right at the tail end of the Creation "story"...
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
And my god, is 'Imperial' a lovely track. Love early Primals.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
The only time I saw them live was around this time.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
Good grief, Mishka's still around.
http://mishka.com/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
xpost:
I'm more than bit jealous! I love 'Screamadelica'/'XTRMNTR' (which I noticed Bobby G seemed really pissed off about, re: the marketing/promo due to Creation closing!), but their early stuff is very very underrated IMO, some truly wonderful songs there.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Here's a thing, I've never heard "Feed me with your kiss" until now!
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
Ah, now the Primals on TOTP with "Loaded"
At the time, they looked weird. Now it's the standard look for a 'fill-in' band backing the contestants on X-Factor "brit-pop" week.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, October 28, 2011 9:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
Christ! Who would've thought!? I remember reading the news of Mishka being signed to Creation in the music press, and I just remember thinking "well, he doesn't seem like a Creation artist"... it seemed like the latest in a line of things which gave the impression that McGee was losing his touch and the label were 'losing it'... 'Be Here Now' flopping was one, the rumours that 'My Beauty' had sold a pitiful amount of copies (and of course who could forget the cover?)...
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
I think Dave Gahan learned a thing or two from Bobby Gillespies moves 'back in the day'!
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
Well they did tour together and all in 1993. But Dave had his routine down WELL before then.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
1994, actually, but anyway.
Mishka, like Sugar, were amongst a bunch of acts that weren't 'defined' at all by being on Creation, so no great surprise *he*'s still going.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
Y'know, watching Ride now... and it's amazing to think Andy Bell ended up forming 'Hurricane #1' and then ended up playing bass for Oasis... and you listen to this and think "why!? why did you want to go in that direction!?"... I mean, I appreciate that the times they were a'changing and all that, but fuck!!
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
"My Beauty" supposedly only sold 400 "on all formats", so I must have the rarest minidisc release of all time.
Except the story is obviously bol.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
OMG:
Mishka (born Alexander Mishka Frith,[1] 1974) is an internationally known reggae artist from Bermuda. He released his first self-titled album Mishka in 1999 and had a hit single in the UK with "Give You All The Love". He is currently signed to Matthew McConaughey's record label, j.k. livin, and is touring in support of his latest album, Talk About.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:06 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark
Ah, y'see I've never seen any footage of the World Violation tour... but there seems to me to be a hell of a difference between his 101/Music For The Masses stage presence and that on Devotional(!). Allegedly the Primals were more than a bit taken aback by Depeche's level of partying on that tour... I'm really not surprised that tour nearly broke them.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
The saddest thing about the 'stopping' of Creation was seeing the upcoming schedule of albums, now documented on a number of Creation fan websites as "CRE 1562 - Dexys Midnight Runners album - unreleased".
AlMac talks about bowing out with dignity, but I have absolutely no doubt the whole thing happened purely due to Sony interference and Macg had absolutely no control over timing or situation. I don't blame him at all though.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
Ah Tony McCarrol, bless him. Don't he look a lot like Lol "lol" Tolhurst?
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
'Be Here Now' flopping
It did what now
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
Funny, in those days Liam looked like a college student!
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
I suppose... but you could see what McGee saw in Sugar... I just couldn't see what he saw in Mishka at all!
My Beauty" supposedly only sold 400 "on all formats", so I must have the rarest minidisc release of all time.
― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:08 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
Yeah, I thought it was bollocks and just a bit of a vicious rumour. Hasn't McGee attempted to debunk that myth several times over? I do remember Kevin Rowland wrote a couple of barbed letters to the music press at the time defending his choice of attire: "It's a MAN'S dress!" etc.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
No, that was David Bowie.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
Get down!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN-vcyNWDjM
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
I saw him at Reading Festival around this time.
Actually, he went down alright for the most part. A few things were thrown, but only 'at first', and ending with "You'll never walk alone" appealed to the 'football lads' crowd enough...
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
Be Here Now' flopping
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, October 28, 2011 10:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
I mean, of course it broke records for sales on its first day of release and was one of the most eagerly awaited records of the '90s in the UK... but upon getting home and playing the album through the first time, it was a crushing disappointment. And a crushing disappointment that you got the sense you were sharing with pretty much a large percentage of the rest of the country. Oasis still sold albums afterwards of course, but they did lose a large percentage of their audience with that record, who moved onto other things.. and there were a hell of a lot of decent records released in '97 that one could listen to instead.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
Ah, the Furries!
Well, the 'death of indie' would have happened anyway, and it (be here now) did not 'hasten' it or anything like it.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:13 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
Hahaha... he does! How wonderful!
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
mm, just thought it needed clarification. obviously it was a piece of shit and everyone who heard it knew that but it sold 8 mill units worldwide by the end of 1997 according to wiki so, you know, not a flop.
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
Noel always had a knack for a tune and some well put-together lines.
But, the majority of Oasis albums had their fair share of filler, they were called 'verses'
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:20 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark
Of course it would have done, and of course 'Be Here Now' didn't hasten it... but it was one of the first moments that I remember thinking "McGee, you could have said 'no'." - but at the same time I get the impression he would have never had it in him to do that, not to mention Sony would have wanted that album no matter what it was.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
I guess we're not getting "Hairstyle of the devil" then.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, October 28, 2011 10:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
There's different kinds of flops. Obviously 'Be Here Now' wasn't a commercial flop, but it was much more than a flop on so many other levels.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
xpost well, all those years of punk bands (and bands before and after, to be fair), being all "We want to make records free of Record Company Interference", and yet because the peopple running this label were a 'bit cooler', it's OK for AlMug to 'step in'?
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
I liked those first two Oasis albums. This track playing now pretty much defines the word 'filler'. All seven fucking useless minutes of it.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
xxpblowing my mind tbh
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
See, Noel could not write a 1min59 song to save his bacon!
3 Colours Red got onto totp? Who Knew!
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
If they jumped around a bit more, they could have been Busted!
(That's a compliment, btw)
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
well, all those years of punk bands (and bands before and after, to be fair), being all "We want to make records free of Record Company Interference", and yet because the peopple running this label were a 'bit cooler', it's OK for AlMug to 'step in'?
― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:25 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark
Well, Bobby G did say during the documentary that he found McGee invaluable as an adviser, and the impression that I got from reading McGee's thoughts on 'Be Here Now' is that he wasn't particularly keen on what they were doing. As it turned out, neither was anyone else - including Noel Gallagher himself about a year after the album came out!
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
sorry to pop in here with an interruption, but that WHAT??
i just watched the trailer and omg how did i miss this????? it looks absolutely, tremendously terrible. i must watch it.
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Friday, 8 October 2021 22:33 (two years ago) link
It was a lot better than I expected. Then again, I was expecting very little, but it was mmm passable.
― Mark G, Saturday, 9 October 2021 01:01 (two years ago) link
Well, I tried to sorta sum it up
https://theshfl.com/guide/creation-records
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 October 2022 15:33 (one year ago) link
i can't find page 2 where you obviously talk at length about revolving paint dream.
― koogs, Monday, 10 October 2022 16:53 (one year ago) link
Alack.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 October 2022 17:01 (one year ago) link
A lesser-heralded aspect of the collapse of Creation is the whole decade of attempts to make Edward Ball a big star, though I appreciate that if I had a label like that I would probably indulge my friends just as much.
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 10 October 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
The funny thing is, "Pirate Playlist 66" is one of my favourite albums of all time, whereas I find most of his other albums alright/interesting at best.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 05:40 (one year ago) link
Thing about Creation I often think about is how in 2000 when they no longer existed but to release the final singles from XTRMNTR they spun off seemingly utterly uncommercial things like Exterminator and *still* they made the UK Top 40. That's the fanbase era of chartdom in full, gleaming effect.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 05:47 (one year ago) link
like Accelerator ahem
Can I just say the best song ever released on Creation by anyone is Love in a Car
I've not heard that LP in forever because i only have it on tape. would buy a CD but the only choice seems to be the 5cd deluxe box which is 4 CDs too many (i must already have 6 copies of Christine and shine on)
― koogs, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 06:18 (one year ago) link
I loved Creation's breadth of styles and their onward progression through various styles.
And yet, House of Love, Ride, various others I never saw what the intense love was about.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 07:21 (one year ago) link
scrolling through their discography it occurs that the only thing saving them from turning into a complete embarrassment in the second half of the 90s was SFA. not sorry
― imago, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 07:33 (one year ago) link
but after Xtrmntr and Guerrilla my third favourite Creation album is C'mon Kids :(
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 07:37 (one year ago) link
oh that's up there for me too, don't think of them as late 90s though! and XTRMNTR isn't even 90s lol (i like it too)
― imago, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 07:38 (one year ago) link
cmon kids as best boos album is a great call tbc
― imago, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 07:39 (one year ago) link
nah was just saying C'mon Kids was second half of the 90s!
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link
This thread prompted me to sell The Telescopes Precious Little EP at the record store. A nastier sounding piece of vinyl would be hard to imagine. I got $5 for it though!
House of Love is a total classic, on the other hand.
― The Ghost Club, Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:00 (one year ago) link
I can’t think of any record that encapsulates the nightmare of the last 20ish years as well as XTRMNTR.
― beamish13, Thursday, 13 October 2022 19:44 (one year ago) link
Right? I discovered it right at the beginning of lockdown, it absolutely hits the right (f-ed up) tones of the times.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 13 October 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link
C'mon Kids is a masterpiece, one day I will poll it.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 13 October 2022 22:46 (one year ago) link
Will just need to make sure Dog Latin is around
― Bee OK, Thursday, 13 October 2022 22:48 (one year ago) link
― Bee OK, Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:46 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
there's a 33 1/3 book inside me about C'mon Kids.
It's a great British Psychedelic album, as good as Piper, Butterfly, Sgt Pepper etc.
Songs about the seaside - checkCreepy Childrens song - checkGuitar Freakouts - checkWilliam Blake reference - check'pop' songs for 'the kids' - check
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Friday, 14 October 2022 11:52 (one year ago) link
xp I'm around!
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 14 October 2022 12:32 (one year ago) link