I should say that for me, 8 songs I haven't heard already is more or less ideal.
max otm
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
i mean obv those are extreme positions and most of us probably fall in the middle somewhere but that seems to be the sense i get
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
The funny thing is I'm not even a pick & choose/discard songs type at all, although I'm making a devil's-advocate argument from that perspective to an extent. My deal is more that I want to listen to it all the way through, but I'd rather listen to a long and inconsistent record and be like "OK, there was some bad stuff, but plenty of good stuff too," than listen to a short and inconsistent record and at the end feel like "that's it? that's all? Van Damme!" And really the argument is only really pertinent here because Kanye is pretty inconsistent by nature and so those are the only 2 options.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
plus some of us are trying to fit things on cassettes, people
― tissp, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link
I don't have the fucking time to turn every single rap album I get in 2007 into a best-of mixtape.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link
I know kids no longer think of albums as sequences of great songs, but as a critic I listen to too much music to waste time on dud songs: the more songs I skip on a second listen, the less apt I am to give the album props.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
lots of songs i skip on first listen end up being the best ones
― and what, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link
^^^^^otm
i think it has a lot to do with how we listen to music, too. most of my CD/album listening is done in the car and i dont mind long albums because every time i start my car it picks up in the place where it left off--im not starting from track 1 and missing track 18 every time.
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
what about when u were all pruning yr fantasy ugk albums last month, still repping filler then?
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link
I think a 29-track behemoth that is easily one of the best/replayable albums of the year might be an exception to the rule, whereas trimming the fat from this new Kia Shine album is something I would wish on no man.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link
i do think skits should be banned
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link
I tend not to mind double albums so much because I just end up listening to each disc separately rather than trying to force it all in one go. That said, Underground Kingz is remarkably consistent for an album of its length and the only thing I'd remove are the crunk tracks.
max otm again
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link
You'd leave the Jazze Pha?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost yeah rap double albums tend to be way more consistently listenable than rock double albums, probably because rap albums have more guests and more varied production aesthetics (or at least, they tend to, certainly over 2 cds)
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
I love skits when they come on an album, but hate them when they come up in shuffle.
I couldn't imagining listen to Doc's Da Name without "Pain In The Ass Stewardess" leading into Da Goodness
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
Or "This ain't no motherfuckin P" on Master P's Ghetto D. Classick.
There's a really funny skit on the Baby Boy Da Prince album.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
dude seriously i dont think i ever listen to any record straight thru, even tracks i love - its usually a diff config every time
― and what, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
xp that skit is just the intro to make em say ungh not its own track
THIS RAPPIN 4TAY, WHOS THIS
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
rap double albums tend to be way more consistently listenable than rock double albums
maybe because the only rock 2cd in recent memory is Stadium Arcadium.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
Jazze Pha makes more sense in the context of a UGK album way better than Lil Jon or Swizz Beatz.
I'm not anti-skits per se (hell, I quoted a De La skit a few posts ago), but I do admire Kanye for going for skit overboard on his first album (the two consecutive skits really pissed me off) to no skits at all on his third.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
going for = going FROM, obviously
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link
also NONE of kanye's skits have ever really been funny
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link
"If this is P, lemme hear you say unnnngh"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link
xp "broke phi broke" is negative funny
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link
Kanye's skits are good context-builders to his more conceptual albums
except that his "concepts" are annoying and not really interesting! o man a college degree is useless!! thanx kanye!!1! drop some more wisdom pls!!
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link
it warmed my heart when I read that at a listening party Kanye said that the album would feature "no fake Bernie Mac!"
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Actually, Graduation only has one less song than either of his first two albums, it's just that they have, like, ten mins worth of skits on them.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
With the bonus tracks, my count comes to 15 songs on the record. Which is not short.
― kenan, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Mine doesn't have any bonus tracks.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
Mine neither.
Did you get it at Best Buy or ZShare?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link
best buy one doesn't have bonus tracks.
― Jordan Sargent, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link
college dropout--1:16:13 (14 tracks, incl. 12 minute final track, 7 skits) late registration--1:10:26 (17 tracks (1 bonus) 5 skits) graduation--51:18 (13 tracks (no bonus) 0 skits)
these are the editions i have
― max, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
help i cannot stop listening to "flashing lights" k thx bye
― Davey D, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah Late Registration has 16 songs if you count "Late" and both versions of "Diamonds."
I didn't get "Flashing Lights" on the first couple listens but it really stuck with me today.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
he hates the paparazzis even more than the nazis
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
and he HATES nazis, so you know he means business.
Davey D, are you this Davey D?
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Neither (I got it at Fred Meyers, which is the only place in town you can buy cds at 7AM when I get off from work.)
I wasn't counting bonus tracks on Late Registration.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link
x-post
I always assumed so. If so, thanks for all the links that Paper Thin Walls gaffles on the daily.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link
I believe the bonus tracks are on the import version?
― kenan, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link
No, but I am a different Davey D.
― Davey D, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link
Pay up, Whiney.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link
I was secretly hoping he was the one who wrote all the Kurtis Blow and Spoonie G songs
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link
I have Davy's Ride on cassette, but i haven't gotten around to listening to it.
Looks like the UK version has one bonus track and the Japanese version has two.
― kenan, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Rev can use the money he just won to buy the import version of Late Registration
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
What's weird about Graduation is that I just get next to no vibe/impression from it AT ALL, I play it through and eventually it's over and that's it and I have no desire to listen again. It's like air. Usually when I say "it's like air" i'm referring to some shit I've heard, way, way too much but I've only listened to this album like 4-5 times since buying it yesterday.
An analogy no-one will agree with:
CD: a fun, zany, microbrew LR: a big glass of strong red wine you can never finish at one sitting G: a glass of water
― Beatrix Kiddo, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link