I listened to two of the greatest debut albums of the '80s this past week, R.E.M.'s Murmur and the Smithereens' Especially For You. And then realized I didn't vote for Don Dixon. And then noticed he wasn't even mentioned in the nomination thread. WTF?
― Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
21. Rudy Van Gelder (176 points, 6 votes, 1 #1 vote)http://www.allaboutjazz.com/iviews/rvg.jpgCredits: Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk, Sonny Rollins, Joe Henderson, Grant Green, Wayne Shorter, John Coltrane, many others
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
I really shortchanged jazz producers on my ballot, simply because I don't have a good feel for how jazz (or classical) production affects the sound. In rock, r&b, and hip-hop it's much more obvious for me since I've produced recordings in those genres. I can listen to a Miles Davis album and love the music, but for whatever reason can't imagine what the same music would sound like had it been produced by somebody else.
― Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
I was hoping for top-5 for RVG.
― Martyr McFly (WmC), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
B-b-b-b-b-b-but 69-73 Miles simply wouldn't exist without Teo?!
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
That's some bullshit right there, Nick.
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
xp That's true, but Van Gelder (as an engineer -- dunno if he was ever credited as a producer) established the practices and techniques that all future such recordings were based on, for all intents and purposes.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Van Gelder's the style of production was relatively unobtrusive - the idea was just to capture the live performance as well as possible, so it becomes all about clarity: mic placement, room dynamics, etc. which is obviously a totally different skill from, say, programming a drum machine...
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
the
rvg! just amazing to think how many ridiculously amazing sessions he recorded. was watching an interview with him recently and he said he could never really appreciate the music being made, just because he was caught up in the technical aspects of everything. wasn't until decades later that he really could enjoy the records.
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
re teo : OTM nick . the sleevenotes for BB reissue alone makes you realise just how insanely involved/progressive Teo was with the whole process...will be interesting to see where (if!!) he is placed in this rundown.
[xpost ! blimey .. thought it was a forgone conclusion re teo ..]
― mark e, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
I think Nick's OTM about Teo, fwiw. you listen to those Miles sessions box sets, they make Teo's contributions readily apparent.
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
and now for something completely different
20. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis (180 points, 7 votes, 1 #1 vote)http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/JJamJLewis1.gifCredits: The Time, Janet Jackson, Klymaxx, Chaka Khan, Alexander O'Neal, others
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Jimmy-Jam-Terry-Lewis-Songs/dp/B000PS98MS
this is one of the greatest things I own
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I assume Teo will place in the poll, though...I mean, how could he not?
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
You know these dudes produced sixteen number one hits? Not bad for two Time sidemen who didn't even play on their band's records.
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
could do without a lot of the new jack swing stuff but these two definitely have a certain magic
xp
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
recently saw some Time appearance on American Bandstand from when Jam & Lewis were still in the lineup and it was awesome
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
the amount of talent in that band was nuts
one of several major jumps in total points coming up
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Misread this as "saw Jam & Lewis on the cover of Time." That would've been cool.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
i think the rvg #1 vote was mine. expected him to be top 10
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
19. Teo Macero (207 points, 9 votes)http://secretsociety.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/25/teo_macero.jpgCredits: Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald, Thelonious Monk, Johnny Mathis, Count Basie, Dave Brubeck, Tony Bennett, Charlie Byrd, Stan Getz
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
Huzzah!
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Great interview with Teo here.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
I think Nick's OTM about Teo, fwiw. you listen to those Miles sessions box sets, they make Teo's contributions readily apparent
I'd really love to devote a bit of time to exactly this but how many box sets would I have to buy? Miles and those other giants have epic discographies.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
The thing about Teo is he didn't just record the sound beautifully (though obv that's a big part of it); on BB & IASW he started doing the editing thing in a totally new way. Mind blowing for jazz at the time.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
19 ?!?!
― Martyr McFly (WmC), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
but how many box sets would I have to buy?
the On the Corner, IASW and BB sessions tell you all you need to know really
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
(and I haven't listened to all of them myself btw cuz they are loooong)
18. Trevor Horn (226 points, 9 votes)http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/mar05/images/horn4trevorrack.l.jpgCredits: The Buggles, Yes, ABC, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, others
If he'd only done those first two Frankie singles he'd still be near the top of my list.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
Meh
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
wasn't sure what to attribute Horn's placing too tbh
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
Britishes? prog fans?
Fans of synthesized horn blasts?
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
Teo Macero deserves to be way above this dude.
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
Er, Belle and Sebastian fans?
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
I'm just not clear on why he's so lauded or what about his production style is particularly revolutionary or influential - I mean ABC and Frankie are fine as synthpop acts go but I don't really hear anything in the production that's really all that different from say, Duran Duran or Talk Talk or whoever
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
It's his surname.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
I've never been big on New Pop, we need one of the people who know all about that to explain Horn, I think.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
17. King Tubby (239 points, 9 votes,3 #1 votes)http://aquariumdrunkard.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/king-tubby-dub.jpgCredits: Augustus Pablo, Aggrovators, Prince Jammy, Bunny Lee, Yabby You, Niney the Observer, Roots Radics, Sly & Robbie, many others
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Steve Shasta-certified greatest dub song everhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn3vKX5_cB0
My number one. Surprisingly few votes for him though. Great picture!
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
this is a fairly compelling reason why trevor horn is so lauded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYhKVUKJsPo
― second only to popcorn (or something), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
that sounds ... sort of awful
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
16. TIEDJ Premier (242 points, 9 votes, 2 #1 votes)http://inyourbass.com/images/blog/djpremier.jpgCredits: Gang Starr, Nas, KRS-One, Jay-Z, M.O.P., Rakim, Notorious B.I.G., many others
ANDTony Visconti (242 points, 10 votes)http://bowiezone.com/communities/9/004/008/626/509/images/4541482145.jpgCredits: David Bowie, T. Rex, Sparks, Badfinger, Gentle Giant, Iggy Pop, Thin Lizzy, The Stranglers, Les Rita Mitsuoko, Adam Ant, Manic Street Preachers, Morrissey
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
re trvor horn : i included trevor horn mainly for the duck rock album.it changed everything for me, and opened my ears to the role of production in music.that and abc, the dr mabuse 12" by propaganda, art of noise debut, side 1 of welcome to the pleasure dome, etc.a lot of his music formed the basis of my musical awakening.ok, he may not be up with the greats for many, but for a few years i bought anything with his name on it ..
― mark e, Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
15. Joe Meek (245 points, 10 votes, 1 #1 vote)http://www.desoreilly.com/-Videos/Joe_Meek_A8.jpgCredits: Solo, the Tornados, Lonnie Donegan, the Honeycombs, many others
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link