teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

actually i didnt meet frankie knuckles, but i saw him

one time i posted on a thread with one of the dudes from optimo and dan selzer

fixed that for you.

who tf is dan seltzer

That's the night I told him he should start DJ'ing, and he hasn't looked back since.

actually, i have since 'quit' djing. except that time i came out of retirement to dj w/you last time i was in ny

i have nothing to add to this thread except to say that damon/daniel magic touch/ital are both, like the lcds song says, actually really nice dudes. and kat as well, and honey soundsystem, and really the whole of SF dance folks that I know are pretty danged inclusive as far as I can tell

shame about the music lol

It's a shame that, amongst all this discussion, this hasn't been posted for those who may not have heard it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT2_G6Dov0U

So, yes, shame about the music.

yes, our whole little scene is very inclusive.

and on the name-dropping, i could have dropped just as many names, but refrained from doing it in an effort to appear too innercircle about it.

jaxon is the brett favre of the SF nerd dance scene.

i too saw frankie knuckles with max, before he lost his foot too!

i think we might have shaken frankie knuckles hand even

take THAT selzer

my point on that being that the stuff me and psych were posting was just as informed as dan's, just maybe a little less articulate and tactful about not pissing off certain posters

he was wearing a hat, and a sweatshirt tied around his waste, and he was getting DOWNNNN

Talk to me off line if you want to know how I really feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7yQwQtSN7M

never inviting you to contribute to a hipster thread again dan

Dan, it took me a while to pull myself out of the pit of awe I almost drowned in after your Malcolm Mooney name-drop, but yeah... Laurel Halo went on around midnight or so, pretty early by Bunker standards for sure, and it was part of a "festival" with other more noise/drift-oriented stuff, so I guess it's not that surprising that the crowd wasn't there to move. Based on the music from her two EPs, much of which I'm very fond of, I was expecting more of her awesomely ethereal vocals and melodic stuff to be on display. But the whole set was basically her playing four to the floor on her minimal setup and tweaking sounds here and there without much of a sense of the ol' Narrative Flow.

this link is insane. i always thought you guys were joking w/the yoga/house scene

http://bodyactualized.blogspot.com/search/label/Parties

now this thread is just about disgusting clique culture.

jan w00 used to live in a shed in the backyard of my house #namedrop

worst clique culture namedrop - i once had dinner with that dan selzer and i don't think the subject of "post punk" even came up. he has impeccable table manners fwiw.

i too saw frankie knuckles with max, before he lost his foot too!

― ashra williams (san frandisco), Friday, October 14, 2011 3:43 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

max lost his foot?!

that ethos was always particularly strong in Britain, and indeed one the things that turned me off house for much of the 90s... the fidelity, the purism .... and above all the epigonic narrative of decline that everyone who gets into this music, at whatever point in the timeline, seems to buy into... the location of "Better Days" in the rear-view mirror, rather than just around the corner

i know that this is just simon's thesis about retro etc but in fact one of the predominant ideas in house is that better days are in the FUTURE -- that this retro referencing is not about tradition but about the continuity of community (specifically a black, gospel, religious one) that is about self determination and the use of unity & community to "i have seen the mountaintop" etc. optimism, that rather than being about looking-to-the-past it's about asserting a tradition of shared oppression etc

at least, that's the framing i've always associated w/ it. I get that there's a retro-ness to it but that feels like a smaller part of a bigger overarching idea -- and one that where these particular power struggles still exist (partic. w gender, sexuality, race) they CANT be retro by definition (even if the music might be, or might not be)

i dont know that i'm disagreeing w/ him but maybe looking for more nuance or something

this thread sucks

:(

ouse music is not about cliquey groups of douchebags (hipster or otherwise) obsessed with "analog sounds" oh my god fuck off

'ouse

o plz dear gatekeeper please spread your word down from the mountain about the true meaning of house for the rest of us ignorant douchebags

haha sorry i'm drunk excuse my 'house music is not about X'. i just couldn't really give a shit about analog vs. digital and find it odd that ppl do.

we sorta determined that a lot of these people use laptops, it seems to be more about process than analog v digital

Was this discussion even about "analog v digital"? There was the discussion of the mastering and mix quality, which can be good or bad with analog or digital. Also "analog" referenced as a particular aesthetic, though it was brought up in multiple contexts. 1. the lo-fi Ariel Pink post-noise underground/experimental influences coming into play and B. the fetishization of analog synthesizers as being representative of a certain time. Of course that's an uninformed cop-out when various digital technologies also represent the past, like 4-op FM Yamaha DX basslines.

See Legowelt's recent free release "The Teac Life"

Ok people here it is the new Legowelt album which is free to download for u all
Its got a hella lot deep tape saturated forest-techno tracks on it and when I say Techno i dont mean that boooooooooooring
contemporary shit they call techno nowadays with overrated tallentless pretentious douchebag cunt DJs playing a few
halfassed dumb mongo beats and being all arty fartsy about it.

F*ck that, I am talking about: Raw as fuck autistic Star Trek 1987- Misty Forests- X-FILES,- DETROIT unicorn futurism made on cheap ass
digital & analog crap synthesizers recorded in a ragtag bedroom studio on a TEAC VHX cassettedeck in DOLBY C with an
unintelligible yet soulfull vivacity.

That's one take on retro for sure.

And the only thing that came up during my dinner with Stirmonster was my dinner, when he ordered haggis.

Just kidding, I tried it and it was really good. Though I think it was a classed-up version and not the most hardcore offal bits, no?

Was this discussion even about "analog v digital"?

no i was just p. drunk. (sorry) (so glad ilx is back)

if that TGF performance was in NYC, i have a few ideas as to why the crowd might've sucked.

at last, we can argue about hipster house again!! Ive been in withdrawl

withdrawal

i never saw the continuation of this thread...but i largely feel like every dance music thread ever anywhere now involves someone saying something then someone else posting a grim "goddamn right" unsubbed, and intermittently directed at one or another person based on whatever.

prob should have cyanide capsules on hand when such discussions occur, all of us.

goddamn right!

i put this here so you don't have to.

my friend's in town and wants to do a cmj show but i don't follow cmj at all and all i can think of is the tgf show due to this thread. i think i'd rather do anything that's not cmj.

...goddamn right!

tgf were good tonight. the crowd even moved a little.

love that legowelt quote. dude is hilarious on facebook.

steve summers LIVE on BIS
http://www.beatsinspace.net/playlists/595

^ just began listening to this, he is def my favorite figure in this scene by some distance and the sounds are good so far

the legowelt 'teac life' album is also p damn good (if a bit long)

i don't know from house music

but i like listening to legowelt

yea it is worth re-stating just how FREE and just how awesome that record is, you have no reason to deprive yourself of such things

linky

Little White Earbuds, Talking Shopcast with 100% Silk

Interesting interview...

Obviously, it's difficult to relate to some of these comments from a European perspective:

You know, I have so much respect for all dance labels working now, in particular DFA, R&S, Hyperdub, Future Times, and Planet Mu. I just think doing it right now is difficult, you know? Because it’s not 1988. It’s not 1992. It’s not the most vibrant time in history for dance, you know? It’s hard to keep it up now. A lot of people make glitchy music, a lot of people make weird hybrid dance music — it’s hard to say, ‘I’m going to continue to cultivate and appreciate dance music.’ Because, dance parties and stuff like that are really rare. Live DJs DJing house music is rare, and acid music is rare. Because once rave came it was, like, a lot of things had changed. And so I think anyone who’s still doing that now and has their own aesthetic and their own taste is to be absolutely applauded. I think the people who are doing it at all — that’s just, like, amazing to me.

This sounds really weird to me. Surely making dance music was always difficult, and is perhaps easier now in terms of basic access to technology? Money is arguably a separate issue, but only to the extent that it equally affects all musicians regardless of genre in some way. Of course, I guess it's written from an American point of view, but then R&S, Hyperdub and Planet Mu are not American labels anyway...

I think a lot of people go to underground shows, and I think a lot of people find their one or two little venues in their city or state, and they hover around them and wait for good bands to come and wait for the best nights. And sometimes not even, they just go to get a drink, and hope they’re going to catch a band tonight. And for me, I would love that to be true of dance music, and I would love more dance clubs to open up that were after hours or late hours stuff with people DJing and playing. I think that that would really change the landscape of dance music.

And this sounds just grim.

Is the US seriously this awful for dance music?

I feel bad for you all :-(

Get well soon USA

I dunno, describes my experiences living in the Midwest pretty well.

I've only been to a handful of DJ nights that I've actually enjoyed in the last 5 years. Last couple house nights I've been to had maybe 15 people at them?

Most club nights only run until about 1:30-1:45 am.

However if you want to dance to Top 40/ Hip-hop there's plenty of options.