teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

i'm reading john o'hara right now

i had a blast seeing miracles club dj in pdx when i was there. i think that was miracles club? erik...?

i'm pretty unimpressed with any of the criticisms vouched in this thread by the UK/European crowd. the whole, "i don't like how it sounds critique" is just an echo of the tired berlin school dance music dogma that everyone said about justice six years ago. if you like minimal house, then don't come here to hate on the production techniques because the artists are trying to achieve very different things. even comparisons to classic 90s house (which many of us involved in the movement are digging for and playing out) are unfair because the landscape of dance music was very different when producers were making that music than it is today.

i think that dance music doesn't have much of an outlet in the cities where these artists are coming from that isn't dominated by disgusting club culture - something that noise and punk kids have a special aversion to. so as a reaction to that, the artists involved in making this kind of music started throwing cheap DIY underground style parties in basements, warehouses, galleries etc. to avoid that culture. the success of such acts has fueled the beginning of labels such as 100% silk and future times.

jimmy! that was miracles club, right? we had fun!

when i DJed? that was them and their friends DJing

i think that dance music doesn't have much of an outlet in the cities where these artists are coming from that isn't dominated by disgusting club culture - something that noise and punk kids have a special aversion to.

100% Silk is out of LA, same as Not Not Fun. I see what you're getting at overall but the contention that Los Angeles and surrounding areas don't have a non-club underground dance scene that "hipsters" (ugh) would feel comfortable in is pretty damn specious.

such as 100% silk and future times.

future times records sound great though.

stir, read my post further up on them, they are closer to the traditional DJ/dance music producer side of this scene so they put a higher value on those elements and have hence received wider acceptance by europeans

Lol at san frandisco complaining about the euro-minimal haters and then making casual references to "disgusting club culture".

Going to clubs! Is fun!

Actually I don't think anyone in this thread has made negative comparisons between 100% Silk and "european" production values ITT. I did question the utility of comparisons in the reverse.

MFB, more of this "hipster (ugh)" nonsense, get over it for christsake. there are underground dance scenes that exist counter to the shitty mainstream club culture such as Harvey Sarcastic Disco and Lovefinger's Blackdisco parties before he left for NYC. but these are still grandfathered in from an older rave scene that subscribes to very specific ideas of what dance music should sound like and how it should be conveyed. i love those scenes and they are what got me into dance music, but they are more from the hi-fi paradise garage underground scene. not arty non-dance musicians trying to create something or do something for themselves.

i do go to clubs, i subscribe to a lot of different dance scenes and play a lot of this stuff and higher produced stuff. disgusting club culture refers to very different social aspects of a music scene, not the music. i just dont have hangups because the low end on the track isn't to my liking.

or rather i should say of a quality that has been established and accepted

anybody up for taking this to the outloud room to play the influences and key tracks?

san frandisco otm

I'm not objecting to the use of hipster to describe this sound/people making it, more the idea that there is no/minimal crossover between the all-night dance party, non-club crowd and the noise/experimental scene. In my experience there is a lot (currently in Brooklyn, have lived in the bay area and Los Angeles for extended periods).

so these guys are worried that if they had better mastering, there would be an influx of fans with affliction t-shirts

I seriously question this idea of clear demarcation between overground and underground dance scenes in 2011.

how so?

I seriously question this idea of clear demarcation between overground and underground dance scenes in 2011.

It seems to be more along the lines of Bobbins and Dilettantes. For real, though.

my descriptor disgusting was meant to refer to specific aspects of club culture that dominate a popular perception of dance music in the US. i, and a lot of my friends from this scene will go to all-night dance parties, and definitely subscribe to "club" culture in that we go to a venue where a DJ plays on a good system and people dance. also, there is a wide celebration of detroit DJs and a lot of effort to go out and see them regardless of the venue. i agree, the crossover is there and as i said before the backgrounds of people in the scene are quite varied. MFB you are right, Brooklyn, LA and SF are definitely the hubs for this right now.

Every single scene or sub-scene bar David guetta either thinks it's underground or that a portion of it remains so; it all gets written up on resident advisor just the same.

not quite sure what you mean by that, i am talking about a US specific phenomenon, mostly with my experiences in SF, LA and NY, which is where a majority of this music comes from

You were the one who brought up Europeans and their shitty opinions about sound quality.

i'm pretty unimpressed with any of the criticisms vouched in this thread by the UK/European crowd. the whole, "i don't like how it sounds critique" is just an echo of the tired berlin school dance music dogma that everyone said about justice six years ago. if you like minimal house, then don't come here to hate on the production techniques because the artists are trying to achieve very different things. even comparisons to classic 90s house (which many of us involved in the movement are digging for and playing out) are unfair because the landscape of dance music was very different when producers were making that music than it is today.

Seems like the most vocal critics of this stuff itt (self included) are Americans tho? And in my case, at least, I never gave a fuck about minimal or most Euro stuff in general. Your rant seems way offbase.

Stuff which genuinely does not get breathless critical mileage (except by me sometimes) from the usual suspects: uk funky and bassline. But I don't think I'm impressively underground because I like that stuff, I try to proselytize to everyone instead.

i'm pretty unimpressed with any of the criticisms vouched in this thread by the UK/European crowd. the whole, "i don't like how it sounds critique" is just an echo of the tired berlin school dance music dogma that everyone said about justice six years ago. if you like minimal house, then don't come here to hate on the production techniques because the artists are trying to achieve very different things. even comparisons to classic 90s house (which many of us involved in the movement are digging for and playing out) are unfair because the landscape of dance music was very different when producers were making that music than it is today.

does that make u feel better?

no one thinks they are impressively underground. if anything this music is meant to target audiences who don't usually listen to dance music to get into it.

does that make u feel better?

Not really, because I still don't give a fuck about Berlin or minimal house. But some low end in this music would be nice.

The part about 90s house is fair tho, even if I disagree.

no one thinks they are impressively underground.

Okay then, your self-congratulatory post about having transcended caring about what dance music actually sounds like owing to your history as a veteran of all the great US underground dance scenes had me confused there for a second. Glad we cleared that up.

dont be sad, tim f

the whole, "i don't like how it sounds critique" is just an echo of the tired berlin school dance music dogma that everyone said about justice six years ago. if you like minimal house, then don't come here to hate on the production techniques because the artists are trying to achieve very different things.

does this suggest that justice is great and/or that only minimal people hated on justice

received wider acceptance by europeans

i love this line. it's true. we europeans are a different breed who only listen to records on liebe*detail.

this is a lot more historically-oriented & less populist than justice was. justice was p much just "what if daft punk was more, like, rock"

but yeah i didnt like them either

fwiw im gonna go to this show when they come to chicago bcuz i find scenes like this attract hot chixx & im interested to see what the dance scene is like

'disgusting club culture'

soooo i'm in pdx this weekend. anywhere i can pick up some of these 12"s? how about cl1nton street mus1c? that guy played me a purple & green track last year...

how are miracles club djing? i wanna check em out on thursday maybe, depends on how late we get in there. any one have any other recommendations for like record stores or something, i know this aint a portland thread but i hope it makes sense that im asking here.

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definitely go to clinton street, jared rules (the guy with the silly sweater with sunglasses on it in the church song vid), and i'm not sure about where to pick up a lot of these 12"s but i would imagine your typical run of the mill indie store would carry this type of thing- maybe green noise? they're sorta the equivalent to aquarius in sf, or volcanic tongue etc but i'm not sure if they f/w house. tbh i've found more stuff at the bay area amoebas from this sphere than anywhere, jared stocks amazing older stuff but i feel like he'd be wasting money if he bought more than a few copies of newer dance releases (lol portland). there are a few stores i still need to check out but i've found that for the most part pdx does not like to stock newer 4x4 stuff in any large quantity.

and you should definitely see miracles club dj (i'm hoping to swing by too), raf uses a laptop but plays a lot of rad nu groove / strictly rhythm / '90s house tunes mixed in with newer piano house revival stuff (no 100% silk soundz from what i remember. when he spun on sunday i sware he played at least 5 mk songs lol). also their friends that dj these nights are very very skilled vinyl guys who spin a lot of disco-not-disco classics, detroit classics, you know. the good shit. i think jared has a low key cosmic / synth wave night down the street from valentine's at backspace or someplace on thursdays too, but i need to look into it.

was really impressed with miracles club dj set on fri, was working and wouldn't have been there otherwise, but it seems like they were all on their game. super positive

i feel responsible for bringing up the american/euro divide thing, so i apologize for opening up that whole pipecockian wormhole. i liked this thread a lot more before people came in here with these v subjective "THIS SUXX IT DOESN'T BANG LISTEN TO THE REAL STUFF" type comments but what're you gonna do.

i'm more interested in looking at how this whole thing developed, and why. perhaps this does expose a lot of the (justified or not) reasons that certain noise dudes hate on 'disgusting club culture' but that doesn't mean you have to agree! i sure as hell don't!

i liked this thread a lot more before people came in here with these v subjective "THIS SUXX IT DOESN'T BANG LISTEN TO THE REAL STUFF" type comments but what're you gonna do.

Yeah that stuff is BS as well. Basically any time someone ITT thread says "I like this, those disgusting people like that", I switch allegiances.

raaaad, i am stoked. 12 hour drive to awesome dance party, i just booked a cheap motel close by.

thanks for the info psychgawsple. j4red was way nice when i met him, lots of great stuff in his store too. ^_^

obv there ARE very disgusting club scenes but they idk if they anything to do with bobbins-y material, more a perception of a lot of modern house music as being in the "beat the beat up"-type pauly d style by a certain subsection of musicians

obv there ARE very disgusting club scenes

Really? If we're talking about clubs where people go to get totally wasted and beat each other up and sexually harrass people then, well, sure, but I don't think any of those constitute a "club scene" in any meaningful musical sense.

IMO most groups of people who like music are pretty okay when you actually hang with them.

dunno if it is really up for debate that the US has a p. complicated and sometimes antagonistic relationship with dance music in general, both sonically and socially

us vs. europe generalizing isn't really valid but i mean there does kind of seem to be an us vs. them mentality about some of this stuff that i think those generalizations are kinda glancing at

personally kinda think "going to clubs is! fun!" is kind of an oversimplification and not always true especially w/r/t clubbing outside of europe or NYC/LA/SF

agreed

it's obviously subjective! but what tim mentions is p much what i am referring to: sexist, macho, unfortunate places to find yourself hanging out. i wish i had his optimism and faith in all music fans lol

personally kinda think "going to clubs is! fun!" is kind of an oversimplification and not always true especially w/r/t clubbing outside of europe or NYC/LA/SF

probably sydney too right?

As a gay dude who very much looks it I think I'm pretty conscious of what I would consider to be negative macho energy. I rarely if ever come across it in the context of clubs where people actually know or care who is playing. In any dance genre.

IDK maybe Australia is just a nicer place for clubbing, but then I know which venues I'd go to if I wanted to get glassed or gangbashed and (a) they're fairly easily avoided, and (b) no-one who goes is there for the music as far as I can tell.

But maybe the USA is actually super awful?

(Melbourne BTW)

bored, let's get back to music recommendations

really into the bobby browser track on the MIXMAG 100% silk mix, sounds like girl from Group Rhoda on the vocals too