teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

I mean, my point is, how much are celebrants and detractors alike over-focusing on the pedigree of the artists and the audience rather than thinking about what other dance music the result actually sounds like?

Maybe the issue here is that I have cloth ears and would never be able to tell the difference between the different software people have used in creating the music.

at least, given it's impossible they haven't actually heard house. it's like they're trying to feign some 80s far flung interpretation in a place where you had only a limited access to whatever records.

this feels like a super spot-on evocation of the vibe of this material I think.

i think it's worth noting it's not really like lo-fi v precision here, it's more garishness and cheapness. but it's like they're going for a garishness and cheapness that unlike say, justice or whatever, is accidental and imprisons the "soulfulness" or whatever in this knocked off deep house...

it's all pretty interesting, don't really see myself listening to a lot of the music but the idea of people imposing restrictions on themselves to enforce a cheap aesthetic, but one that is actually inauthentic rather than authentic, is kind of cool.

shame about the music lol (nb only listened to two tracks, maria minerva was actually good)

Lonely guy just reading thread, thinking baout '90s house+noise

shame about the music lol

Basically sums it up.

Any time there's a group of artists or a label that is releasing music that sounds like a past genre or period this is the dialogue, isn't it? I think it's counterproductive to go "pssh, whatever" and dismiss anything wholesale or lament about the lack of historical knowledge because this isn't a one-time event, it's the way of things.

It's always the same pattern: some of these artists are just working a style, some view it as a homage. Some will make it their own thing and possibly become popular, with only tenuous hooks to the past sound, while others will fade away. Many listeners won't know the difference, or will possibly pick up a compilation of historical material and go no further. Some will learn about the new music, only to later decry it and latch on to the "authenticity" of 90s house and sneer at their peers who "don't know any better."

I've played a lot of roles in this story.

Society is in the gutter, a man used to be able to dig out a Gang of Four LP and these days these LCD Soundsystem imitators sell out some outdoor theater and still quit.

I would agree that Strictly Rhythm and Nu Groove are very much remembered and celebrated, though this maybe was less true seven years ago say. That Strictly Rhythm comp of early stuff compiled by Tiefschwarz a few years ago was (a) great and (b) indicative of how centrally that music is ensconced in house's aural tradition at this point.

never heard of nu groove but yeah i don't think strictly rhythm has a problem with being known - moreso seven years ago when house/edm in general was a bit less fractured/flash-in-the-pan/internetmakingthingsquicklike (and we were actually closer to the 90s). weird to see some german guys listed as a qualifier for a label i consider so strongly "american" i guess - although that sense doesn't really extend past the fact that along with nervous i grew up on their stuff (and _i'm_ american wow!), and that they're chock-ful of black/latin/gay influences in a way i don't usually frame in the context of other countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtsbyUk0riY

That tiefschwarz are German is the whole point though.

that magic touch made me think of this kinda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DER9Yh8myU0

except not as good

i guess they're not that similar on second listen, drums are way diff, but i wanted an excuse to post a hot jam

lamp is like the anti-whiney in these threads

nb although this might sound like a compliment its not per se

shame about the music lol

This is U&K, can't be requoted enough. The VHS-lines revivalism of some of the 100% Silk videos probably makes 10 people happy but ultimately dance music lives or dies on whether people want to dance to it. I'll rep strong for some of this music (I love the Ital 12) but I certainly get where geeta is coming from re "queasy".

I didn't mean to denigrate that take on it, either. It's as valid as any, and if you love the stuff being ripped/made homage then it's a little bit heartbreaking.

i guess what it comes down to is this idea of exclusivity is something that bothers you or not ... people itt are treating it like 'hey its legit, they just want their own niche / private scene' & its like, ok, and when the press celebrates that scene just for being so different & cool are we supposed to not pretend its an exercise in elitism & journalistic laziness etc

http://www.mixmag.net/scene-selection-100-silk

mixmag... unsound festival... does not compute

(from a central US perspective, whenever mixmag was available as a import magazine, it was best described as "titties and E" as by a friend in college)

Interview not doing any favors IMO. Cringed multiple times.

House, What is house?

Technotronic, KLF, Or something you live in?

To me, House is Phuture,
Pierre, Fingers, Adonis etc

The pioneers of the hypnotic groove, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode and the yellow magic orchestra.

This album is dedicated to you.

House.

In the future, We hope our music will bring everyone a little closer together,
Gay, Straight, Black or white, Hipster, Blogger, One nation under a groove.

(I never got Depeche Mode's props here. I "get" it, but I think New Order would've been more appropriate.)

I don't think NO had the impact of DM in the US? Well, not at that time, idk

Weren't Depeche Mode supposed to be a big influence on Detroit Techno (moreso than New Order)? Granted the topic is "house" but LFO were clearly more detroit than chicago anyway.

NO didn't have the commercial success of DM, but I'd think more influence in the clubs.

I remember reading that Depeche Mode's "one finger" synth patterns fed into detroit techno quite significantly, but it was so long ago that I can't say for sure.

also, why are all of these people still mining mid-'80s chicago house, when they could be mining the extraordinarily rich vein of '90s house?

is it because soul jazz hasn't yet done a reissue of strictly rhythm or nu groove, the way they did with trax?

Not to be pedantic, but influences and inspirations, along with general comments about the YouTubidification of dance music and a plea for 'earnest comments' are easily available on the 100% Silk blogspot account: Ital 2 or Maria Mineva.

Stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded

But maybe the question is about how this is reflected in the music, and the settings that it's produced, played out and experienced: 'the scene'. Nevertheless, I still feel that there are interesting reflections and negotiations with internet-based encounters with music, and the maintenance of cultural production in these conditions with these guys.

Chris & Cosey make an appearance in this thread yet? Lots of this stuff sounds like them.

Maybe this would help (influences):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O53-C8fMXhI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LDS7boNwtKk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tGv8y2u_XU0

soooo i'm in pdx this weekend. anywhere i can pick up some of these 12"s? how about cl1nton street mus1c? that guy played me a purple & green track last year...

how are miracles club djing? i wanna check em out on thursday maybe, depends on how late we get in there. any one have any other recommendations for like record stores or something, i know this aint a portland thread but i hope it makes sense that im asking here.

liz torres everyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpgPn4vepyQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6d3Vw0UtjE

damn hipsters

i'm reading john o'hara right now

i had a blast seeing miracles club dj in pdx when i was there. i think that was miracles club? erik...?

i'm pretty unimpressed with any of the criticisms vouched in this thread by the UK/European crowd. the whole, "i don't like how it sounds critique" is just an echo of the tired berlin school dance music dogma that everyone said about justice six years ago. if you like minimal house, then don't come here to hate on the production techniques because the artists are trying to achieve very different things. even comparisons to classic 90s house (which many of us involved in the movement are digging for and playing out) are unfair because the landscape of dance music was very different when producers were making that music than it is today.

i think that dance music doesn't have much of an outlet in the cities where these artists are coming from that isn't dominated by disgusting club culture - something that noise and punk kids have a special aversion to. so as a reaction to that, the artists involved in making this kind of music started throwing cheap DIY underground style parties in basements, warehouses, galleries etc. to avoid that culture. the success of such acts has fueled the beginning of labels such as 100% silk and future times.

jimmy! that was miracles club, right? we had fun!

when i DJed? that was them and their friends DJing

i think that dance music doesn't have much of an outlet in the cities where these artists are coming from that isn't dominated by disgusting club culture - something that noise and punk kids have a special aversion to.

100% Silk is out of LA, same as Not Not Fun. I see what you're getting at overall but the contention that Los Angeles and surrounding areas don't have a non-club underground dance scene that "hipsters" (ugh) would feel comfortable in is pretty damn specious.

such as 100% silk and future times.

future times records sound great though.

stir, read my post further up on them, they are closer to the traditional DJ/dance music producer side of this scene so they put a higher value on those elements and have hence received wider acceptance by europeans

Lol at san frandisco complaining about the euro-minimal haters and then making casual references to "disgusting club culture".

Going to clubs! Is fun!

Actually I don't think anyone in this thread has made negative comparisons between 100% Silk and "european" production values ITT. I did question the utility of comparisons in the reverse.

MFB, more of this "hipster (ugh)" nonsense, get over it for christsake. there are underground dance scenes that exist counter to the shitty mainstream club culture such as Harvey Sarcastic Disco and Lovefinger's Blackdisco parties before he left for NYC. but these are still grandfathered in from an older rave scene that subscribes to very specific ideas of what dance music should sound like and how it should be conveyed. i love those scenes and they are what got me into dance music, but they are more from the hi-fi paradise garage underground scene. not arty non-dance musicians trying to create something or do something for themselves.