Sasha Frere-Jones: Really?????

Like, okay, you picked out an example that disprove a generalized point, good for you?

Oh shit, nvm, I scanned the article too quick and didn't see Leviathan's name in SFJ's original article.

Thats what I get for scanning shit between conference calls. I wasn't going to read all of SFJ's article right now because I have that issue sitting at home waiting, so I skimmed that paragraph and didn't notive Leviathan was listed so I thought that tumblr dude was bringing it up unrelated.

A heavily-bearded and tattooed Whitehead was dressed all in black as he appeared before Judge Israel Desierto Sunday morning.

Wearing a hooded sweater with the words “stop the madness” printed on it, he was ordered held on bail of $350,000.

his hoodie tried to warn him but he didn't listen.

"the violence" is just a weird way to describe the black metal situation in Norway - one murder IIRC? a friends-business-beef murder in point of fact, not really v. genre-related? - and then the church burnings, which are a totally different deal & which haven't crossed over here because the only ppl in the US who might burn churches with the same (ostensible I guess I should add) impetus/rationale as the Norwegian dudes would be Native Americans & there's only one Native American metal band I know of and they play death not black

tbf a native american black metal band would be tres badass

Phil Spector murdered a girl so don't listen to the Beach Boys.

Re: Native American black metal. I live in New Mexico and there's actually a huge scene here, they just hate white people so much it doesn't get off the reservation. I saw Mayhem here and a bunch of native folk treated me like I walked in wearing a klan hood, was a bummer.

they hate white ppl unless they are mayhem?

tbf a native american black metal band would be tres badass

some of the Mexican & Central American bands (Xibalba from Mexico, the Chasm but I forget where they're from) work with mesoamerican mythological stuff

they hate white ppl unless they are mayhem?

I think probably you get a pass if your music kicks ass

btw I read that article and have a lot of fuckin issues with a lot of its claims, the narrative growing around usbm is so fucking irritating - so much of the shit being claimed as a new look by usbm is stuff that the major players in black metal did literally over a decade ago and what writers mean when they attribute newness to it is "I give a shit now that the bands play at the Bell House"

Can't forget the Black Twilight Circle in that vein, shame Ashdautas and them parted ways after this interview

http://thephoenix.com/Blogs/onthedownload/archive/2011/08/25/revered-la-black-metal-collective-black-twilight-circle-gives-first-ever-interview-to-boston-phoenix.aspx

"the violence" is just a weird way to describe the black metal situation in Norway - one murder IIRC

As well as the Varg thing, the drummer from Emperor murdered someone too.

oh right

the epidemic of violence within black metal throughout its history

no one in an indie band has every murdered anyone else--FACT

ever, even

give underrated aerosmith a chance lol

no one in an indie band has every murdered anyone else--FACT

I shot a man in Williamsburg
Just because

that Manson bloke looks like a fucking hipster

so much of the shit being claimed as a new look by usbm is stuff that the major players in black metal did literally over a decade ago and what writers mean when they attribute newness to it is "I give a shit now that the bands play at the Bell House"

isn't this the case for any subgenre of music that eventually garners mainstream/highbrow attention

(imho praising things for their "newness" is always a mug's game that just exposes yr ignorance about predecessors/antecedents)

try saying that next time you're trying to sell dishwashing liquid

well, just speaking of the arts here...

I'm sure the newest dishwashing liquid actually is an amazing breakthrough in soapbubble generation technology

Has anyone in indie rock ever killed anyone though, for real?

besides themselves?

I hear Ryan Adams stabbed Chuck Klosterman once

heard that sufjan killed a dude w/ his bare hands once just for looking at him

Bon Iver eats babies

That Sebastian guy from Belle & Sebastian killed someone sometime, too

Only thing I can come up with is the drummer from the Housemartins:

In 1993, Whitaker was convicted of assault after attacking his former business partner James Hewitt with an axe, and firebombing his house after Hewitt had seemingly cheated him. He served 5 years in prison. After his release, he moved to Leeds. In 2004, he was playing drums with a local band called Percy

Thurston Moore killed Robert Christgau iirc

the hold steady almost killed me

Hoodie should've said STOKED FOR THE MADNESS tbh

Noir Desir anyone?

~think about it~

"the violence" is just a weird way to describe the black metal situation in Norway - one murder IIRC? a friends-business-beef murder in point of fact, not really v. genre-related? - and then the church burnings, which are a totally different deal & which haven't crossed over here because the only ppl in the US who might burn churches with the same (ostensible I guess I should add) impetus/rationale as the Norwegian dudes would be Native Americans & there's only one Native American metal band I know of and they play death not black

fwiw p. 329 of Lords of Chaos, The Electric Hellfire Club has some fans who have vandalized churches and they explicitly encourage fan to burn churches down:

"For them, it's a revolutionary act, it's not an act of vandalism. It's a statement. The church is the legacy of the people that stole their heritage. By all means -- burn, baby burn!"

btw, if that quote isn't clear, he's approving of church burnings in norway. later he says that he'd smile approvingly if there were similar burnings in the US

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu216/le_bateau_ivre/14113m1.gif

the hold steady almost killed me

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Uh Mr. Unborn Whiskey, the article did say a "fair amount" not "all".

i definitely realize that but i have been working on a piece about leviathan for a feminist blog, so i was necessarily sensitive about it

Well, please make sure you see my follow-up comments where I realize where it came from, due to my misreading of the original article.

totally did, but you're still kind of otm. i was mad.

also aero otm regarding how "one murder" = "black metal is full of violence" is a kind of casual, irresponsible link.

xpost Well, there was that one Shins guy that beat up his girlfriend, and the Isaac Brock rape charge that went away. But indie murder? Dunno.

why hello mr. unborn whiskey

tbf a native (North) american black metal band would be tres badass

May I introduce you to Gyibaaw...

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gyibaaw/3540271446

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=181925428

""the violence" is just a weird way to describe the black metal situation in Norway - one murder IIRC?"

Well the lead singer of the self-same band did kill himself in fairly violent fashion and the soon to be murdered guitarist did photo it for the band's next album, drummer of other famous Norwegian BM act killed a gay man, lead singer of big Swedish BM act involved in murder of another gay man, plus arson is a fairly violent act. Although I guess with the Leviathan thing USBM now has their own monstrous act of violence to unite around. Ick.

fwiw i know next to nothing about underground metal and i know allllll about that one guy who murdered another guy so you can't really blame just one writer for playing that up

http://theamericanreader.com/sasha-frere-jones-is-a-white-man

(via maxxx)

i'm xposting to the rolling racist thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Woman