Is Everybody Who Edits the Village Voice Really This Stupid?

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― youn, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

and to reiterate what i've written a million times--and in an oblique response to blount who says i'm "at my worst" on threads about mr. eddy--i do find it unusually aggravating that someone whose writing and rhetorical skills i value so little (and who is so evidently unprofessional) is the *editor* of the music section of the flagship arts weekly in america. it seems to say something to me about the sorry state of rock criticism. that doesn't mean the VV doesn't published some really good stuff in its music section (though i wish the pieces were longer). just that it seems to me that this good stuff is being published in spite of chuck eddy's limitations. of course i have no idea what the internal dynamic is at the voice. chuck might be an amazing editor; for me to believe that i'd have to presume he adopts an entirely different approach to interacting with human beings than he takes on ilx. quite possible.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Amateur(ist), did you ever read the Voice before Chuck was in charge?

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

was it much worse? what was it like? i've read the voice off and on for maybe 12 years, but i don't know when chuck took over.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i also probably wasn't too sensitive to the music section until 7 or 8 years ago

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

>he rarely gives any evidence of having *burrowed* into a piece of music, getting to know it really well<

read my books. and a few thousand reviews from the past 20 years on top of those. (and don't whine that i "always" tell you that, and then pretend that you know jackshit about my writing.) bye, shmuck.

― chuck, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

somehow i doubt you'll leave it at that.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

*sound of glass shattering*

― m1cc1o, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, Chuck is dead until the sequel (or IS he?) Now can we please let this thread drop off the New Answers page? If you guys wanna fight, continue on the Why I Love Country Music thread.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if this what Martians would be like, if they ever came to visit Earth.

― Leon the Fratboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

this is no longer the best thread ever! It's deja vu all over again. Hi, Nicole! Are you excited to see the amazing race tonight? I know i am!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope for Jonathan death.

― Leon the Fratboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.diningwithfriends.org/images/dancing-gif.gif

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

x^4post
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Take me to your reader, Earthling.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked ILM much better before it became a haven for wanna-be rockwrite whores (or upwardly mobile rockwrite whores) sucking up with slavish adoration to the likes of Chuck Eddy, making no attempt whatsoever to hide the fact that they'd blow him for a chance of a byline and a $75 check from the Voice.

I certainly don't see anyone shouting down Amateur(ist) with such *concerned* gusto on any other thread. That is, threads in which the subject isn't Chuck Eddy, the Man Who Could Take Me-and-My-Little-Rockwrite-Hobby to Real Paying Places!

Not saying that the shamelessly sycophantic displays seen at ILM can be attributed to Eddy's actions or desires, although he does seem to revel in the adoration -- and is kneejerk curt whenever any slight critique directed his way rears its head.

― Lefty, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I certainly don't see anyone shouting down Amateur(ist) with such *concerned* gusto on any other thread.

Then you haven't been around ilx very long.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been looking at it on and off for about 4 years. Is that enough for you?

― Lefty, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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You might be right, but I'm not sure that all of it is so sycophantic. Chuck has an idiosyncratic style (such styles have always been encouraged at the Voice, based on the anecdotal evidence) which is his own fingerprint and amateurist seems to wish he were a different kind of critic. I think some of the more reasonable people are just trying to convince him of the futility of this wish. On the other hand, a little arse-leckery never hurt anybody, did it?

Oh man, who do I have to fux0r to get off this thread?

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been looking at it on and off for about 4 years. Is that enough for you?

You may have been looking at it, but it seems you have not been reading it.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

haha amateurist is this the first time you've been shouted down with concerned gusto?

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the word "gusto" makes me think of huge plates of lasagna

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

also lefty feel free to name names on just who's sucking chuck's cock here (i definitely have called people out on this tip in the past so feel free to follow thru bitch). also maybe explain to me how someone who's posted maybe ten times on ilm, once to state dancing should be illegal and and at least three other times to dismiss someone (usually a woman) as a cunt or a whore or a twat, how someone who's clearly as on the ball as yourself to see thru such charades as dancing and women and oh yeah chuck eddy (who in that company is last and least sorry chuck) hasn't managed to pick up on this? and who is someone whose every third post involves determining just who is a whore/twat/cunt to criticise someone for kneejerk curtness?

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

'gusto' should be like a sam's club version of some chicago style pizza sauce.

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

>he rarely gives any evidence of having *burrowed* into a piece of >music, getting to know it really well

read my books. and a few thousand reviews from the past 20 years on top of those.

i've only ever read 'accidental evolution' but amateur(ist)'s compaint is the same i had with that book. it just seemed like an endless string of witty lists and obscure references and oddball comparisons, many of which were amusing and interesting in their counterintuitiveness, but nothing was really *developed*, and after a while i felt like i was being pummeled with fragments. as a result, i didn't really learn anything or think about anything in a new way, which i guess is what i want out of criticism, regardless of what approach it takes.

― steve merrill, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

anyhow, yeah these things always turn petty which wouldn't be a problem if they could turn really petty, most of these disses and takedowns of bigman eddy don't really possess teeth (even when ol' lefty slings some of that hottwatpowder cross the plate), nothing ever makes me think 'holy shit i can't believe he/you said that', the weakest 'yo mama' joke would tear this place asunder.

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

What you're deeming "idiosyncratic" is looking more and more like "woozily inconsistent" to me. Chuck Eddy is now stating "But if Drag City *does* have a personality or sound, it's not one that's ever left much of an impression on me." If that is indeed the case, how the fuck does one draw the conclusion that DC are "rock hating" (or "rock embracing", for that matter) if the "personality or sound" of the label in question *leaves no discernible impression*?

So what is one to conclude from this? That Chuck Eddy's only critical criterion is that, upon initial listening, if he perceives a record to "rock" he sits up and takes notice, and if said record "doesn't rock" it is "rock hating"? Furthermore, if it leaves no real lasting impression, it can also be labeled "rock hating"? Which is it, then? I don't get it.

― Lefty, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

so lefty are you gonna actually name names?

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

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I don't know. If I try too hard to follow the intricacies of rock-critic logic I get a headache- the same way I do if I try too hard to understand rock lyrics.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

also i was wondering if you could expound on the critical criterion you used to decide that dancing should be illegal. ol lefty.

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

BEST SPRING BREAK EVER!!!!!!!!!!

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

a $75 check from the Voice.

wtf they didn't lower rates did they? Usually its like $100. I haven't pitched in months (damn free net taking away my careerist drive).

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: lefty frizzell vs. lefty driesell

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/images/Koufax_Sandy.jpg

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

BEST SPRING BREAK EVER!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon now, darlin' and sit yourself down next to me here in the Merle-pool.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Southpaw Roll Call! (where my lefties at?)

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i guarantee if either frizzell or driesell went into a bar and said 'i've been coming to this here bar for well nigh on and off for four years and i do declare i am getting right sick of these rockwrite whores and twats' and someone said 'who you talking bout lefty?' he would have the common courtesy to respond 'I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU! AND YOU! AND YOU!'. must be them declining standards amateurist was on about.

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

imagine if the bar had dancing

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I have an image of a rockist Lucy Van Pelt with hands folded, sunglasses on, nose pierced and hair pinkpunked out; standing behind a booth with a sign that reads "RIMJOBS: $75".

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

hott

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

forkclove were you just on suicidegirls?

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You saw my pictorial, blount?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

you're number three in my heart after them pseudoincestuous twins

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah real tasteful use of a crucifix, FCT

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I use the name Sandy Koufax when I'm ordering a taxi. I didn't actually know who he was until this thread. So at least it's achieved something.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Senator McCarthy, I'm not gonna "name names". Comprende, you inept shit-stirring weasel?

Best you return to your crack pipe, blount. It's not going to lower the level on your paranoia meter any, but it may just mercifully shut you up for a spell or two.

I do thank you, however, for making me aware of a glaring critical omission in my tossed-off "dancing should be illegal" post. When I wrote that, I never once thought to cater to those who suffer from incomprehension. Meaning I never imagined that anyone would take it seriously.

As for my alleged many posts dismissing women as "cunts/twats", etc., that's certainly news to me -- and one hell of a slander. Putting the name "Lefty" into the search engine right now turned up 33 posts (not ten, as you claim). One of the "Lefty" posts is another Lefty, at that - so 32, then). One dig at Ashlee Simpson, yes, but characteristic of my posts? I think not.

And do stop calling me (and others) "bitch".

― Lefty, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

such kneejerk curtness! such dodging and weaving!

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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