Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

Please someone tell me they know the two songs on "The Ozzman Cometh" comp: "Black Sabbath" ('70 Basement Tapes) and "War Pigs" (1970 Basement Tapes).

Both of these songs are clear evidence that BIMBLE IS MORE GOTH THAN YOU.

Um there's actually more than two basement tapes on that comp (if you get the 2xcd version). Don't forget the awesome versions of "Fairies Wear Boots" and "Behind the Wall of Sleep".

I love the production of those tunes and all the alternate lyrics and verses. Total godhead.

yeah I will have to get the 2xCD version.

A goth's work is never done.

is that "war pigs" the "walpurgis" version with the satan/witch themed lyrics? i love that.

yeah that's what it is, dude.

That...

Just... No. Ugh.

<3 cindy und bert <3

Dehumanize is good too people.

heaven & hell did a dehumanizer song that was pretty good. i only knew it was dehumanizer because they put the cover to that album up on the big video screen

Probably Computer God. Maybe TV Crimes.

Back in 2007 Heaven and Hell played "After All (The Dead)", "Computer God", and "I"...the latter of which sounded really great. That song's held up very well.

I is definitely great. I don't know if they played Computer God at the Radio City show I was at.

You've got to be kidding me.

http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE54T00420090531

Advantage: Iommi.

The reaction on dffd and probably all the other boards was "Sharon Is A Cunt"

that should infact be a poll

poll w/ one option

im sure theres x-factor viewers on ILX who like her. but someone do it to find out!

You're it Herm, i have no idea how to do it.

you click on where it says new poll
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Poll/EnterPollInformationControllerServlet?boardid=41

Instead of that, I'll just say that the vocals have always been the least important of the idea and ethos of what is "Black Sabbath". In Sabbath, it's:

mountain-moving guitar riffs and sound > thunderous but suprisingly agile rythym section >>>>>>>>> whoever the fuck is singing the lyrics the bassist wrote. Sorry Ozzy, but you now officially suck.

If as Ozzy alleges Iommi's trying to claim "ownership" of the Sabbath name, why would he be recording and touring as Heaven and Hell?

Iommi bought the name from the others in the '90s, plus he copyrighted it in 2000. Game, set, match. Just cuz he's touring with another name doesnt mean shit, if you're implying he waived his rights.

Deciblog has a good take:

http://decibelmagazine.com/Content.aspx?ncid=306741

from that
Posted 6/2/2009 2:13 PM by Senile Animal

Sharon Osbourne = Cunt!

holy shit, that statement by Ozzy. The brand was "literally in the toilet". Is this Kiss, who probably did sell toilets with the Kiss insignia, or Black Sabbath?

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

Somebody please shoot the man. Put him out of his misery.

By Request: Sharon Osbourne - Cunt Or Great?

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

Well, actually...

You want reality? Noticeably absent from the show's frequent mocking of Ozzy is any discussion of his bladder problems, which have long been legend in the rock world. The reason Oz continually dumps buckets of water on himself through his concerts is to mask the fact that he's peeing in his pants, according to some who are in the unenviable position to know. A friend of mine who once visited the Osbourne manse reports that Ozzy has a "special bathroom" whose walls are lined with rubber because his aim is so bad. Somehow, MTV's cameras have avoided showing us all that.

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/music/feature/2002/07/16/ozzy/index.html

ugh

DEROGAAATIIISSSSSS fistshake.gif

As someone who, often as not, can't make it through a feature-length movie without running off to take a whiz at least once, I guess I admire Ozzy's dedication to holding the stage for an entire 2-3 hour show. There's a new TV ad out in which Ozzy pitches some manner of cell phone / mobile device / whatever the fuck you kids call it now in which he uses GPS to navigate his way to the w.c. in his own house which I will never look at the same again as a result.

how classic is black sabbath?

i was driving to a gig on the far side of bali with a car full of teenage punk rock roadies, mostly between the ages of 16 and 18. punk rock kids, mind you, not metlaheads (punks not dead in bali) anyway i didn't want to bore them with dance music or hip hop so i threw on "best of black sabbath" hoping they'd dig it... and those fuckers knew every note of the album. not just the guitar solo in paranoid, i mean they were air drumming the fills on snowblind, singing along with symptom of the universe etc. i doubt they'd ever seen the osbournes either. black sabbath is not just classic in america and england but all the way to the far flung reaches of the globe (if not the universe) i mean the group broke up a decade before these kids were even born ffs!

thats how classic black sabbath is.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii317/RabitesAngelatin/signofthesoutherncross.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRhZISswW_k

Love that clip

Always cool to see the moustache-less Iommi

he reminds me of greg ginn there. love the shot of geezer going nuts in his flares

Geezer rules

I was woken up this morning by the strains of Black Sabbath s/t coming from my house mate's bedroom. Pretty pleasant alarm really.

When I saw them live in '99, I cried. Stoked to see Heaven & Hell with Neurosis supporting in August.

they're back! hurray?
After band members (most prominently Ozzy Osbourne) dropped hints of a possible reunion for at least a year, Tony Iommi confirmed that the original lineup of Black Sabbath has gotten back together and is planning an album and tour. Sabbath was last in the studio back in 2001, when work on a Rick Rubin-produced record stalled after Osbourne went to finish work on a solo album. In recent years, Iommi and Osbourne have battled over ownership of the Black Sabbath name, but that case was settled (with undisclosed terms) in 2010. "We're really looking forward to it and I think the stuff we’ve been writing is really good," Iommi said in an interview. "It's all been very hush-hush. Ozzy's been the worst at trying to hold it back. He's doing a lot of TV and he's being asked stuff about a reunion and he's going 'well I never say never'. He told me, 'I don't know what to say'."

has any of those rubin session leaked?

all i could dig up was this:

"scary dreams" from ozzfest 2001, supposed to be a part of those rubin sessions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=735w63a53nc

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=162051

how many lawyers will it take for this to happen?!

And then again:

http://gunshyassassin.com/news/tony-iommi-shoots-down-black-sabbath-reunion-reports/

I couldn't believe all the metal sites & blogs assuming all these rumours were fact these last 18 hours or so.

Yeah, it seems like fact checking went right out the window with this one but, otoh, its not too difficult to understand why some might choose to run with it given that it supposedly came directly from Iommi's own words.

Updated definition of "epic" : trudging through a South China rainstorm as night falls. The Eternal Idol in my earphones

reading Ozzy’s memoir & i loved this bit

… We became pretty tight, me and Geezer. I'll always remember when we were walking around the Bull Ring in the spring or carly summer of 1968, and all of a sudden this bloke with long, frizzy blond hair and the tightest trousers you've ever seen pops out of nowhere and slaps Geezer on the back.
'Geezer fucking Butler!'
Geezer turned around and said, 'Rob! How are you, man?'
'Oh, y'know … could be worse?'
'Rob, this is Ozzy Zig, said Geezer. 'Ozzy, this is Robert Plant - he used to sing with the Band of Joy?’
"Oh yeah" I said, recognising the face. 'I went to one of your shows. Fucking awesome voice, man.”
“Thanks”, said Plant, flashing me this big, charming smile.
'So, what you been up to?' asked Geezer.
'Well, since you mention it, I've been offered a job.'
'Nice. What's the gig?'
'The Yardbirds.'
' Whoah! Congratulations, man. That's huge. But didn't they split up?'
*Yeah, but Jimmy - y'know the guitarist, Jimmy Page - he's still around. So is the bass player. And they've got contractual obligations in Scandinavia, so they want to put something together.”
'That's great, said Geezer.
“Well, I'm not sure I'm gonna to be taking the gig, to be honest”, said Plant, shrugging. “I've got some pretty good stuff going on here, y'know? Matter of fact, I've just put a new band together.'
'Oh, er... cool, said Geezer. 'What's the name?'
'Hobbstweedle, said Plant.

Later, when Plant was gone, I asked Geezer if the bloke was out of his fucking mind. Is he seriously going to pass up a gig with Jimmy Page for that Hobbsbollocks thing?' I asked.
Geezer shrugged. I think he's just worried it won't work out, he said. 'But he'll do it, as long as they change the name.
They can't go around calling themselves the "New Yardbirds" for long.”
"It's better than fucking Hobbstweedle.”
“Good point.”

Ozzy continues to reference “Hobbsbollocks” every time he mentions Plant, it’s very funny how Ozz never let that go.

Bob Plant: master of reality

HOBBSTWEEDLE I am dying

Contrary to popular myth, the band name was never titled Hobbstweedle or connected with J. R. R. Tolkien literature, despite Plant's interest in that author's work. The name Obs-Tweedle originated from Bill Bonham's father and band manager, William Bonham, Sr., who allegedly selected the words from a dictionary when they couldn't agree on any names. Obs is an abbreviation for 'obscure', and Tweedle means 'sound'; which may have reflected the band's offbeat repertoire at the time.

ok so obbsbollocks then

Bill Bonham? Is that John’s dad?

Hobbstweedle. Dang.

close enough Josh ;)

Wasn't intended a correction, I'd never heard of any of this, so when I googled it I learned about the storied history of Hobbstweedle/Obs-Tweedle, lol. I guess Bill Bonham was John's cousin?

The band were formerly known as the Answer, a group which had toured Europe, and renamed themselves after ex-Band of Joy singer Robert Plant joined their line-up. Plant and his future wife Maureen Wilson were in the audience at one gig at Dudley Zoo to see the Answer perform, when Plant was invited to join the band after their singer Tommy Burton experienced a bout of food poisoning. Both Bill Bonham and Plant lived in upstairs rooms at the Three Men in a Boat public house in Bloxwich, a venue which the band also used for rehearsals. Their first ever performance was held there on Wednesday 13 March 1968. The Three Men in a Boat pub was owned by Bill Bonham's father, and would also be the future destination in which manager Peter Grant would send the telegram to confirm Plant was in Led Zeppelin, and later dozens of telegrams to get local John Bonham to sign-up with the band.

No relation apparently, despite the same last name: http://www.brumbeat.net/obstweed.htm#google_vignette

we are learning a lot on this day

I just want to post the word "Hobbstweedle"

the hottest nightclub in NY is Hobbstweedle. its got everything. ..

Hobbstweedle. From Bloxwich into the bargain.

How much more English could this be? The answer is none, none more English.

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRJbm0SUHXM

That is fantastic, what a voice. Glad it didn't happen but what could have been.

Cool . Never knew about that. Was worried it was gonna just be some AI slop.

Geezer's bassline reminding me of a Marvin Gaye song.