Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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SPIN used to be way more New York-ish, with more of a snobby attitude, sort of this subversive nature and snarky editorial that was more SPY than Rolling Stone. I miss that aspect; as SPIN has drifted more and more towards the mainstream, it has lost its sense of identity and verve. Without cheerleading the Strokes and the White Stripes on every issue, they'd barely be hip at all. And that feature where the artist names their influencial albums was a concept blatantly lifted from Blender. The elephant in the room here is that Blender is eating SPIN alive.

I fully understand that embracing "lifestyle" brings in the big advertising dollars (fashion), but in this case it has made the magazine much less enjoyable.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be it may be, but give me Spin over Rolling Stone ANY DAY of the week. You?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

OTM

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

True, but you can say that about any magazine, give me O over Rolling Stone any day of the week.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer Rolling Stone. Music coverage is equally bad in both, but Rolling Stone occasionally has interesting political features.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Magazines suck.

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but seeing features on Toby Keith and DMB is just too depressing..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

SPIN used to have some really great pieces in the back of the magazine about non-music stuff that were real eye-openers. I haven't seen any good ones lately. What irks me is how the staff has turned itself into celebrity figurines. I read the magazine thinking, "I feel too uncool to be reading this shit." And I'm a frickin writer. I imagine it's incredibly off-putting for some kid in her bedroom.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related? This was late 80s.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Last time I read Spin, Guccione Jr was still at the helm, pimping John Mellencamp. So I guess Hank Rollins and Legs McNeil don't write for 'em anymore either?

I feel old.

doug watson (solid air), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, they still have non-music features, like... "Friendster more addictive than crack!!!"

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Celia Farber's AIDS coverage was overall pretty impressive, especially considering the venue.

I agree with you Jeanne that the staff thing is getting annoying; Sia Michel's Letter From the Editor has been completely cloying from minute one (complete with all the "Look at me, I'm at the cool places with the cool people pictures") and the endless pimping of staff tomes is a chore. Spitz' gossip column is unbearable. But I still like the reviews quite a bit.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

SPIN needs to be put out of its misery. It hasn't mattered since about 1988.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's been even longer than that...

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

what did Sia Michel do before Spin? I had never heard of her until i saw her picture in Spin.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

She was a receptionist somewhere.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Once SPIN lost Legs McNeil and John Leland it was all over (though I still like Klosterman).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

man, Spin hasn't mattered since 1972 when I was reading it

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Don, all "letter from the editor" pieces in any given magazine are like that. It's sort of the purpose. But I know what you mean. The mag feels like a big Friendster publication or something.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

really? and then she became the editor in chief of Spin? cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeanne otm there. "Letter from the Editor" pages are almost universally cringe-worthy (really wanna vomit? Read Alan Light's one from the debut issue of TRACKS).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i still miss the old details. when it was just pictures of stephen saban on a couch with diane brill.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

and i still miss rock scene when it was just pictures of lisa robinson on the couch with joey ramone.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

How great would it be if Letter from the Editor *actually* portrayed what went on: "Motherfuckers in the mail room misplaced the press kit for the new Dinkie Bubble album so that fucked shit up royally. And don't get me started on motherfuckin' Hack McInkspot handing his review A WEEK LATE. Thanks, assmonger, it's not like we're on DEADLINE or anything..."

That would rule.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

the offensiveness of "Letter to the Editor" is nothing compared to the "Making Out with UltraGrrl". i just want to rip that page out every month and forcibly shove it down the throat ofd the next pseudo-hipster i see.

SPIN was a godsend for me in high school (1990-1994), living out on a farm in the middle of central Illinois. sure it wasn't all that subversive or underground, but to someone raised on country and Top 40 it was a whole new world. i still pick up an issue from time to time, mostly because it's more affordable than the import prices on the decent British mags. but i'm always wondering why.

jonviachicago, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Hack McInkspot!! Ha Ha, i've got a new nom de plume. thanks, Jeanne!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's true that most Letters From the Editor are unbearable, but I don't remember as many celebs-with-editor pictures as the Michel years have produced...maybe the Bobby Jr. years had the same thing but I can't remember anymore.

While we're on the subject of Tracks, I can't believe how lifeless and personality-free it is.

The UltraGrrl thing is awful. I'd forgotten about that.

Gawker calls Details "The gay magazine for straight men" or something like that. Classic.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Sia does seem especially intent on telegraphing her celeb-compatibility. Still, Guccionne Jr. wasn't that different.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Did Tracks just steal their whole idea for a magazine from Harp?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

What? You mean the non-music journalism about the NYC guy with the biggest penis in the world or people who make living room speed and eat it until their teeth fall out?

I'd call it the white-trash beat for voyeurs but not hard-hitting or strong.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Yes, SPIN, supporter of whackos and rubbish science.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Killer email ady...CompuServe is still going?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

>>> Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Remember when Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl were pushing this agenda, playing benefit shows for that wacko group "Alive and Well." That was insane... I wonder if they still support that cause.

That said, I think Spin is perfect. I expect nothing more. Each issue lasts me exactly one lunch break, once a month, where I look at the pretty pictures as I eat some soup.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

it really ws better two or three years ago but its still ok

$$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

is anything in your world as good as it was in 1988, alex? anything? if you love 1988 so much why don't you go live there

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

What's up your ass?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

George, they've had better stuff than the dude with the big penis in Rolling Stone! Now, come on. I mean all those killer white trash kids! Don't forget about them. They were great. when i was 16 i had a picture of ricky kasso on my bedroom wall right next to a huge piece of paper with the chemical formula for LSD on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

that sounded harsher than i meant it to, alex, but seriously you go on about how everything's gone downhill since 1988 so often!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I was speaking strictly in terms of SPIN magazine, Fritz, and it wasn't one of my usual tirades about how stuff was much better then (which isn't categorically true, by the way). SPIN, however, used to be ahead of the curve. Now it struggles to keep up with the curve, panting like an exhausted walrus.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex is right Fritz. Except I guess I'd put it a bit later, maybe '90? I dunno, whenever Leland and Kogan and Sheffield and Eddy and Coley and McNiel and so forth stopped writing. I mean, no offense to any ILXors who contribute but the current writing just can't compete with that lineup, no fucking way.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i drank a lot of Meister Brau in 1988.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

My favorite "letter from the editor" ever was in a Details magazine from its latter "phase one" days. The editor wrote a column talking about this wonderful $3500 leather jacket he purchased, and then weeped about how he was too frightened to wear it out anywhere, lest it get damaged by rain/wind/etc. I hope it's keeping him warm in Central Park at night, haha.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

a lot of Blatz and Iron City too.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I drank Miller that I would steal from the convenience store I worked at as a stock-boy (16, 1st ever job!) I would go carry some garbage out to the dumpster in back, except I'd carry a six pack out with me and then hide it behind the dumpster. Then after my shift was over I'd drive around back and grab the beer.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Meister Brau--back when a microbrew was a microbrew. Now there's a thread--microbrews circa the 1980s (or even more fun, the 1970s when I was collecting beer cans as a kid.)

Either way, Alex is right that SPIN was way better back then. Anyone remember the Michael O'Donohue columns? That guy was a scream, the best back page they've ever had. I've got a few of those columns on my hard drive if anyone wants a repost (SPIN used to keep them at their website, back when they first came online.)

Rolling Stone used to have better non-music writers, too. William Grieder I liked even though I never agreed with much of his stuff. PJ O'Rourke is better than anyone they've had in at least five years on staff there.

The more I think about it, the more I think I've been harsh on Sia for putting her mug all over her page. Bobby Jr. was more of a publicity whore, and she's better looking. But the direction of the magazine is still shit.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i need rolling stone and spin to stick around though cuz i have too much fun complaining about them. what would i have left?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

fair enough. i haven't read spin in ages myself. when i do, i'm always hoping for one of those great sleazy smalltown teen crime or killer drug craze stories but i don't think they do them so much anymore.

I moved recently and actually came across some of the fabled golden age pre'88 issues in a forgotten milk crate at the back of my closet. some of it was pretty great indeed - especially an article on cookie-puss era beastie boys, but a lot of it was pretty thin. there was really LESS in it - huge empty spaces on the pages, big fonts disguising 3 paragraph long stories, fan-ziney articles about nothing and only a couple of pages of record reviews. and legs mcneil was way past his prime by that point too - if you want to get all golden age-y about stuff. he mostly wrote about how shit everything was compared to 1978!

i was into spin more later because - before vibe & the source & rappages, maybe even before Word Up! - they were the only magazine I could find covering hip hop - albeit with a pretty big NYC Def Jam Beasties-PE-Run DMC slant to it but that was fine by me at that point.

I read it pretty much every issue up until the end of the grunge and the beginning of Electronica Fever in the summer of Trainspotting. I have no idea if it's good or bad anymore. Pretty much all music magazines bore me to tears now - but I think that might have as much to do with me as it does with it not being 1988 anymore ;)

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd be sad to see SPIN go. I've been reading that magazine since I was 14 or so. It's lame often enough, but every issue has at least a couple things that are either interesting or funny, so I feel like my money's worth. It's a cheap subscription too, which is nice.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to read Spin almost every month, but it's just so dull now I won't even pick it up to browse it at the store. It doesn't even piss me off like Rolling Stone does, it's just sitting there, boring me silly, telling me that the Strokes are really good.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

katherine, you should hit me up privately, i can try and help you out

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:28 (six years ago)

(not thru my ilx email)

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:28 (six years ago)

to clarify for anyone who is wondering: roughly half of spin's remaining staff (like 4 of 8 people) were laid off in september, including myself. the parent owner sold spin to a PE firm a month or so ago (at the same time stereogum bought itself out) and as part of that deal, the remaining staff was told they would not be offered full time employment at the new company. spin was officially transferred between companies this week which is why daniel kohn popped up as the "managing editor of spin" today.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:33 (six years ago)

my understanding is that the PE firm has no intention to staff spin back up in any real way and will mostly be relying on freelancers

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:37 (six years ago)

Man

Ainsley James Gryffyd Lowbeer Holdsworth (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:57 (six years ago)

That explains the responses to Kohn’s tweet

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 01:17 (six years ago)

I never emailed someone back in my attempt to resolve back invoices

fwiw i have been there. i think somebody owes me back money right now!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:39 (six years ago)

Yeah trying to get paid for work you did before a company went to shit is noble! I hope it works out—I've been in your position before and it's incredibly frustrating.

maura, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 23:19 (six years ago)

thanks, headway seems to be happening at least

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 6 February 2020 03:15 (six years ago)

New editor Kohn hasn’t tweeted in 3 days ( was called a scab in 1 comment)

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 February 2020 19:31 (six years ago)

hang tight

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Friday, 7 February 2020 19:53 (six years ago)

two years pass...

Longtime former Spin writer Charles Aaron has cancer . There’s a Go Fund Me to help him

https://www.gofundme.com/f/tuawbp-charles-aaron-cancer-treatment-fund?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer&fs=e&s=cl

curmudgeon, Friday, 5 August 2022 15:53 (three years ago)

one year passes...

🫡 https://www.spin.com/2024/03/spin-u-s-army-team-for-week-long-austin-takeover/

Frozen CD, Friday, 22 March 2024 17:48 (two years ago)

no one wanted their name on that

President Keyes, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:03 (two years ago)

Lol yeah "Written by Spin Contributor" is sure something. I wonder if they were just hoping a bunch of people would clown them online for this to drive traffic to the site? Basically never see anyone share anything from it minus some local musicians in my town who got very excited someone (also local) got a piece published there. The piece was very bad.

grandavis, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:08 (two years ago)

Ah it is a "PARTNER" right at the top with a link to an Army site or something. Looks like it is just a paid promo spot made to look like a piece from Spin.

grandavis, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:10 (two years ago)

SPIN still has a couple big names on bylines.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2024 18:58 (two years ago)

one year passes...

we are so back

https://www.spin.com/spin-x-u-s-army-school-of-music/

Frozen CD, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:02 (six months ago)

I saw SPIN on the stands at the airport today and didn’t even pick it up to flip through. (I *did* buy a different magazine, though.)

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:36 (six months ago)

oh was this thread not bumped end of last year when they named Finneas as their artist of the year lol

guesses on who they'll name this year?

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:48 (six months ago)

Pherb.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 12 November 2025 09:47 (six months ago)


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