Tindersticks : classic or dud

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at least more people can hear simple pleasure now. i have that but nobody else i know seems to be able to find it.

!!!! (amateurist), Thursday, 11 March 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

the soundtrack albums are pointless as i recall. the bloomsbury theatre album is fantastic though.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 11 March 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

? Amazon.co.uk, Play.com and 101cd.com are all stocking it - and all quite cheaply too, presumably because of the forthcoming remastered / bonus CD issues.

101's currently cheapest if you're going to buy something else as well, otherwise by the time you've paid a quid for postage & packing it works out the same as Play (£7.99).

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the "old" un-remastered single disc versions of all those albums kicking around extremely cheaply once the new ones come out 'though....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 March 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, last message was replying to !!! rather than Toby.

The Bloomsbury Theatre one seems to be the only one that isn't still available in the original version.... if it's that good it might make re-purchasing the 2nd studio album a little more pallatable 'though.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 March 2004 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

This is weird - if I already have the second alum as a double CD set with the Bloomsbury gig as the second CD (bought in Germany in 1995ish), am I in possession of a rarity?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 11 March 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm perfectly happy with the sound on the first three albums, so see no need to repurchase them. The bonus disc on the 'greatest hits' set looks far more tempting, though.

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 11 March 2004 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Unfortunately it seems to be one of those FREE BONUS DISC (when you buy the first disc at twice the normal price) deals.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 March 2004 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

what great advances in technology have been made in the past four years that would justify a 'remaster' of simple pleasure anyhow??

!!!! (amateurist), Thursday, 11 March 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

so how come the original version of Marriage Made in Heaven(WITHOUT Rosselini) is nowhere to be found? Or am I dense?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 11 March 2004 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be 1/100 th as interesting without Isabella Rosselini. I wouldn't want to find it.
Does anyone else here have a lot of love for last year's "Waiting For the Moon"? I thought it was spectacular, but it didn't have anywhere close to the impact that their earlier records did.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 March 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst voice ever.

David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 11 March 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Barry, have you heard the original? It's SOOOOO much better! The arrangement's totally different, and of course the singing is totally different....

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 11 March 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan: I haven't ... sorry, it's out of character for me to slag something without hearing it ... I think I have difficulty imagining any Tindersticks duet without the female singer. Those tracks are always one of the finest on their albums.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I adore this band but don't think I'll shell out for remastered versions of any of these records, because they all sound pretty good to me. well, maybe the first one. I liked waiting for the moon more than can our love or simple pleasures. The first two will always be my favorites though. The one asphault ribbons song I heard was terrible!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 11 March 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The original Marriage Made In Heaven single was a Rough Trade Single Series release with a drawing of Lee Hazlewood on the cover and a dedication on the back, something like "To Lee, father of us all" and it DOES feature female vocals, just not Isabella Rossellini's. I forget exactly who sings but it's not too unlike Travelling Light, another great male/female duet from the second self-titled album.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 11 March 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

since when have records that are 10 years old or so needed to be remastered? No way I am re-purchasing these.

mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 12 March 2004 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

the original "marriage made in heaven" is so so so much better than the pointless retread with isabella rossellini.

funnily enough the female vocals are by her out of huggy bear, greeham coxon's ex. endearingly nasal.

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

simple pleasure is still my fave tindersticks lp BY FAR

!!!! (amateurist), Friday, 12 March 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Love the first album, not sure if you need more than one Tindersticks record though.

holojames (holojames), Friday, 12 March 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

amst, can you explain why you love simple pleasure?

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 12 March 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I have the other marriage made in heaven, I can put it on slsk tonight if anyone is looking for it.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 12 March 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You know how, on Shooting Stars, there's a bit where Vic Reeves sings a song in a ludicrous "pub singer" voice and the teams have to guess what the song is? Well that's The Tindersticks that is.

Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 13 March 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

cozen i think i celebrated that lp on some other tindersticks thread...

!!!! (amateurist), Saturday, 13 March 2004 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Revived because I'm listening to some early Peel sessions courtesy of s1sk and darned if it ain't all really good stuff.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 May 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Total Freakin' Classic. Unless you're like, rilly rilly Calvinist.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 10 May 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
utter classic.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I think theirs are the only indie strings I can bear.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

god, "(you take) this heart of mine" is soooo lovely

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

keep the first one. sell the others. they are just pale copies of the 1st tindersticks album. and yes. me too i spend half a year listening only to the 1st album. live they were disappointing. staples was on whiskey, i think. his voice is an acquired taste, that's the expression right? what i always loved about the album. the passion, the total indulgence, the physicalness. the others were much more subdued. extremely boring. a one trick pony that band. but they never arrived to repeat their trick!

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

they are just pale copies of the 1st tindersticks album

simple pleasure doesn't sound like the 1st album at all, excepting stuart's very distinctive voice

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

the only record that sounds like the first album is the second album, and some people I know like that one more (I prefer the first). I do think their albums can be uneven, or a little undistinctive, but there are exquisite moments on all of them; Simple Pleasures is my least favorite, the first and Can Our Love are at the top of my list. the two times I've seen them live they were amazing.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah they are great live

simple pleasure is their 70s soul album, essentially. lots of philadelphia strings and hi records drum patterns

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah the only thing I didn't like much about that record was the background vocals. also, my CD got scratched years ago and skips, and the thing is impossible/expensive to replace. I should go download it and give it another chance.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the second is my fave. I saw them play with a 13 member string section in Dumbo. It was amazing.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

A nightmare is to be strangled with a Tindersticks-cd. What I'm saying is that Tindersticks playing Pavementsongs is too. Big fat dud. I don't like them. They are my definition of bad pretentious pop music. Maybe Mercury Rev is their opposite.

strom (strom), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

. What I'm saying is that Tindersticks playing Pavementsongs is too.

has this ever happened? I can't imagine it.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It's true. They recorded a version of "Here" for a tribute some years ago.

strom (strom), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a b-side to one of their singles, "Kathleen", iirc.

Tindersticks albums rankings (not including live albums and soundtracks)

1) Tindersticks
2) Curtains
3) Waiting for the Moon
4) Simple Pleasure
5) Tindersticks II
6) Can Our Love ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 18 September 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

even though i understand almost anything bad about this band that one could say, I really adore them. Tindersticks II was sort of a fixture during the beginning of high school for me; even though I hardly ever put it on anymore, it's one of the strongest emotional reactions I've had to an album... these days, simple pleasure is probably the one I like the best - the opening few tracks are just wonderful. i think bathtime and whatever song follows it on "curtains" with that melodic round are their best songs.

dave k, Saturday, 18 September 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

the second album is my favourite too. for anyone who loves the 'sticks can i reccommend "by the roads and the fields" by Crescent (on fat-cat).

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 19 September 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Tindersticks II is my fave

mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 19 September 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

So is Can Our Love not so high on the ILMers' love scale? It's the only one I have...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 19 September 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

SticksII keeps sliding down my list as the years past. After a while it feels too much like hearing the same song over and over. "Curtains" is gorgeous, it's like you'd had a splitting headache when hearing the first two records, but by "Curtains" it's gone and it feels like you're finally hearing them without the smoke and the fog for the first time. I hold the string arrangements responsible for this.

"Simple Pleasure" and "Can Our Love" are uneven, but do feature some outstanding songs (the closers, "CF GF" and "Chilitetime" are the standouts). "Waiting For the Moon" was an incredible return to top form, containing exceptional tunes delivered in every style the band has used throughout their career. It's probably superior to "Curtains", but I'll need some more perspective (=passage of time) before deciding for sure.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 19 September 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i still haven't heard the most recent one.... my favorites on "simple pleasure" are:

- if you're looking for a way out
- (you take) this heart of mine
- cf gf

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 19 September 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i really like the opening track too; i saw a video for it on portugese vh1 last week... i didn't realize the band did videos at all

dave k, Sunday, 19 September 2004 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

do you mean 'can we start again'? that's a nice track too; i think it was the single

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 19 September 2004 06:54 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
I have heard 'No Man In The World' and 'Trouble Every Day' (so so wow) and 'Rented Rooms', they are kinda amazing, to me! What album should one start with?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 2 May 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

II

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 2 May 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

II or I

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 2 May 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Shall do!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 2 May 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Short set" then "Main set" tonight, apparently.

djh, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 06:45 (one year ago)

Update: it was very good!

djh, Thursday, 24 October 2024 18:46 (one year ago)

three weeks pass...

Decided to actively not mention songs from their live show just because the curious timings of the sets added an intrigue/excitement to events that I didn't want to spoil but think the tour is over. First set - songs to be sung sat down - included Staples' solo track "Memories of Love" which was very good and made me re-visit his album (Feel a bit weird that Staples solo tracks are seen as interchangeable with Tindersticks tracks but enjoyed it nevertheless)

djh, Monday, 18 November 2024 22:01 (one year ago)

hrm, I'm definitely a 'the first two albums are the best' person so not sure how I feel about going to see them play only things from what I consider a 'post reunion' period (which is now at least 20 years long). will probably go anyway.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 18 November 2024 22:22 (one year ago)

They're definitely worth seeing. I love the first two albums (and other releases, beyond) but there was definitely something about seeing a band play the stuff they want to play. And, I guess, I was at Bloomsbury Theatre and I'm never going to see a show like that again, even if they play the same set list.

Not sure where you're based akm but I imagine the Royal Albert Hall show (and that tour) will cover more of their career (though I don't really know what basis I'm assuming that on).

djh, Monday, 18 November 2024 22:36 (one year ago)

yeah I'm in california. I mean I've seen them like 4 times already, including back in the classic years, so it's not like I never got to experience it.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 19 November 2024 00:01 (one year ago)

three months pass...

I wonder who the "special guests" will be at the Royal Albert Hall? (The advertising seems to imply they mean "special guests" joining them rather than being kind in their description of the support band but perhaps I am misreading that).

djh, Monday, 10 March 2025 19:31 (one year ago)

Probably just Terry Edwards on horns and Gina Foster on b/vox, they're with them this week for the European dates.

bored by endless ecstasy (anagram), Monday, 10 March 2025 19:59 (one year ago)

Well, I was hoping for Isabel Monteiro or Niki Sin at a minimum ...

djh, Monday, 10 March 2025 20:45 (one year ago)

Strangely, I’d imagined the Royal Albert Hall show to feel more of an event, billed as it was: “with strings and special guests” but it didn’t seem vastly different to last year’s Manchester show.

djh, Tuesday, 18 March 2025 16:12 (one year ago)

Willow, from Staples’ soundtrack for High Life, is an absolute blinder live.

(I slept on that soundtrack, and when I saw them two weeks ago, that was the one song I didn’t know, and the highlight of the show)

Btw for those planning to see them, they’re not playing anything older than The Something Rain. Not an issue at all, but worth mentioning for those who care.

Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Tuesday, 18 March 2025 17:25 (one year ago)

I generally like that they play largely new stuff and aren't just trading off old glories. That said, having seen them late last year, I'd have been happy to hear anything last night.

They did play "Travelling Light" at the RAH. Can't remember the oldest song at the Manchester show - I think something off "Waiting For The Moon".

djh, Tuesday, 18 March 2025 18:58 (one year ago)

Saw them in Glasgow on Friday night. My first time, near two hour set and as per others’ experience it was nothing pre ‘The Something Rain’ apart from a wonderful “Travelling Light” and I was quite alright with that. Thought they were excellent.

hamicle, Tuesday, 18 March 2025 23:05 (one year ago)

I have an ahem patchy knowledge of the more recent work but really enjoyed the RAH show. Playing a lot of 'How he entered' and 'Lady with the braid' since (and Dory Previn from there, who's new to me)

woof, Wednesday, 19 March 2025 12:19 (one year ago)

three weeks pass...

Oh man this show in SF last night was beautiful. I too have only patchy knowledge of the last .... six albums or so, and they def didn't play anything from the first four (and I still think the first two are the best things they ever did), but live these songs really worked. So beautiful. Guy playing guitar is fantastic.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 16:48 (one year ago)

cosign on the Tindersticks show at the Fillmore last night. I think the only "old" song they played was Medicine off "The Something Rain". Would have loved to hear something of the first two LPs as those are my favorites too. But have to respect them wanted to play new material, especially with the stripped down lineup. Willow was a highlight for me, but everything sounded incredible. For the Beauty, indeed.

KorovaMilkbar, Wednesday, 9 April 2025 18:35 (one year ago)

I also appreciated lack of an opener and the place only being 3/4 full. I mean, I do hope tindersticks make back their money on this tour, but compared to the last time I saw them at the Fillmore (with Elliot Smith opening, in 1999!!!), which was packed to the gills, it was nice to be able to breathe and walk around.

someone commented on the way out that the average age of the audience was 55.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 20:52 (one year ago)

"Guy playing guitar is fantastic."

Neil Fraser? He's been a constant figure but he does somehow look different. Older but not unhealthier, maybe?

djh, Wednesday, 9 April 2025 22:33 (one year ago)

i have literally no idea who is or has been in tindersticks for the past 25 years other than Stuart

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 22:39 (one year ago)

ha, ok, looked this up. for some reason I was under the impression there was more of a turnover in the band than two members.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 April 2025 23:00 (one year ago)

It was three original members who left after the sixth album – the violinist, bassist and drummer.

bored by endless ecstasy (anagram), Thursday, 10 April 2025 02:46 (one year ago)


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