"Zombie" by ADAM and Amy though is a terrific record.
― Tom, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sean, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― scott p., Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Melissa W, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Jeff, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
That said, I came across my copy of it last time I was at my parents' house, put it on, and was surprised to find that I still enjoyed it quite a bit. I don't know how spirited of a logical defense I could offer for them, apart from this: the band itself was really good at assembling standard-issue post-Smiths guitar-pop songs, leaving the overall goodness or badness of the result down to how the vocals were handled; on the first 1 and 1/2 records, the vocals were often restrained and unsentimental enough to make them work, in a Sundays- meet-Primitives kind of way.
Actually, let's just go with: I was 15, and I wasn't any Melissa-style musical-taste prodigy.
― Nitsuh, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
"Zombie" is very, very funny.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― David Raposa, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Johnathan, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
And yes, Brian, do tell. It's such a fun story.
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Revenge of the Fatnick Regent, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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Or is subject-object disagreement a new facet of haxOr-speak?
― Non-Prolix Nitsuh, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― FatusNickus, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
at the end of my last post.
― alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
http://gygax.pitas.com
― gygax, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― JM, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― patrick, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― keith, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Rob M, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Omar, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― the pinefox, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Uh? Bong Talk, Omar, bong talk ;)
**I think they lost it. But I also think they had it, or enough of it**
WHY? Pinefox, why??
― Dr. C, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I liked their first album, but they became annoying awfully fast. It's as if they lost all sense of subtlety and melody after that...
It probably didn't help matters much that Dolores is right up there with Celine Dion in the obnoxious harpie stakes -- which probably wouldn't have been so terrible except she was everywhere in the meedja for awhile.
― Nicole, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
A few years back, when you could say the words "The Cranberries are on their US arena tour" and not have people laugh, Cracker was the opening act. Members of Cracker were told that they were not to talk to or deal with the Cranberries at all, or any of their support crew or anything like that. David Lowery and company shrugged and thought, "Typical," and went on doing their thing. As time went on during the tour, they got to know a variety of people by sight and figured out what they were there for -- with the exception of two guys who never seemed to do anything. They were fans of Cracker, though, always by the side of the stage whenever they did their opener's set, cheering them on. Finally curiosity got the better of Cracker and some members tracked down these two guys in a quiet moment. After exchanging friendly greetings and all, Lowery or whoever flat out asked them, "So what do you guys *do*, anyway?"
The answer -- Ms. O'Riordan, besides singing, also plays acoustic guitar and piano on stage. Except...that below the stage, these two guys, one with guitar and one with piano, sit and watch the entire show on closed-circuit TV or the like. Basically, their job was to actually play the parts she was supposed to be playing!
Needless to say, I was terribly amused to learn this. Ultimately not surprised anymore, but still.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
"Linger" can suck deze nutz, tho.
― Dan Perry, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― stevo, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Helen Fordsdale, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But God, their lyrics are as embarrassing as music has ever become: check ALL of the 'To The Faithful Departed' album for some real good belly laughs, especially I Just Shot John Lennon. It's the record where D discovers MTV News.
I'm fairly sure I'm not their favourite writer however, so perhaps I shouldn't be commenting.
― Jerry, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Luke, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― chocolate brown, Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:54 (twenty years ago) link
...at this point I refuse to even think about their more recent records.
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Cat, Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link
Truly, I have caused sorrow here.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Annouschka (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:47 (twenty years ago) link
exactly. it's really that kind of record. maybe because they became so shit after the second one and people who were kind of on board earlier on abandoned them.
I even saw them live, with Suede (Suede opened, and were better)
― akm, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
that just means it's not foul play
― akm, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:06 AM (one hour ago)
can't speak to Mark's unsourced quote, but in Australia, "The police said there were no suspicious circumstances" is newspaper code for suicide.
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
dreamy sweetness is the quintessence of the Cranberries for me -- i really only paid attention to the first 2 singles bc they were on the radio (was vaguely aware of zombie but was too deeply invested in my own snobbery at that point to care for that tbh) and it was so dreamy and sweet, whereas at the time i felt grizzled and gnarly and way too angry to be able to tolerate the sweetness. i also thought they had a lame band name. it was a bad time in my life that i am not keen to revisit, would prefer it encased in amber where i can continue to not think about it. RIP Dolores, you were cool and shouldn't have died so young.
i liked amanda petrusich's piece but for me it was probably pj harvey, not the cranberries
I suspect every young woman eventually finds a figure (or, more likely, a series of figures) who helps disabuse her of certain stifling notions about femininity, of all the outmoded binaries—the things a woman is supposed to choose between as she comes into her own. It feels almost quaint to point out now, in a cultural moment in which we’re rethinking the whole of gender dynamics, but, in the early nineties, O’Riordan helped further the then-iffy-seeming idea that a woman could be both beautiful and ferocious. She appeared accountable only to some internal voice—which meant we could be, too.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/postscript/the-ferocious-sublime-dolores-oriordan-of-the-cranberries
"why aren't more people being total assholes about this??? i demand justice!!"
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:02 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
more like "people suddenly realize that 'Zombie' is not one of the worst songs of the '90s, would have been cool if they realized that while she was alive"
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
i also thought they had a lame band name
― kinder, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
"more like "people suddenly realize that 'Zombie' is not one of the worst songs of the '90s, would have been cool if they realized that while she was alive"
eh, no, it is still one of the worst songs of the 90's. But Linger and Dreams are pretty good.
― akm, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
what was the original name?! i always sort of lumped them in with 10,000 maniacs (even though they had been around for longer)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
Original name: The Cranberry Saw Us
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
ugh seriouslythat's awful
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
u_u
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
i always sort of lumped them in with 10,000 maniacs (even though they had been around for longer)
Seriously? Oh, you mean even though 10,000 Maniacs had been around longer.
I thought of them, initially, as sort of like the Sundays, but not as good or as tasteful. Because by the follow-u[ album I thought of the Cranberries the same way I thought of Live.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
Mentioned before, by my fave weird bill was seeing the Cranberries open up for Frank Black opening up for The The in 1993.
Unconfirmed reports of deliberate Fentanyl o.d. coming in.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link
I gave the first two albums another spin today and still like 'em, and still stand by my opinion that 'Zombie' paved the way for a direction they weren't very good at. They were much better at the delicate numbers, and the production still holds up on the first two albums. What sunk their third record - and subsequently their career - was a combination of silly lyrics, inappropriate production and moving away from what people actually liked about them.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
yes. well, clearly some people liked the direction they went in or they wouldn't have continued to put out six or seven albums that go in that direction.
― akm, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
All bands have their hardcore followers, and they're generally the wrong people to look at when assessing the popularity of a band.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
Pretty much agree with Turrican. Loved these two records growing up and still do.
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
o'riordan's voice, specifically in the first album, sounds amazing in how it fades in and out during the bridge or whatever you want to call it
definitely reminiscent of elizabeth fraser at some parts
― infinity (∞), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
their lyrics have always been a bit crap, I never knew what any of them were in the first record then when I eventually looked them up I felt "oh." Lots of 'walking out through the door' etc
― kinder, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
Nah ode to my family and linger have great lyrics
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link
― akm, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 1:20 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they didn’t though. bury the hatchet was v much a scaling back from to the faithful departed
their singles are generally solid throughout (even “salvation” which i think has a v charming velocity) except “time is ticking out”
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
there are the cranberry saw us demos on youtube from cassettes they released pretty good stuff
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
'Salvation' is a very good performance and topline, but I can never get past how awful the lyric is.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
Zombie is fine. as with many female musicians/celebrities many had a decent go at her when she had issues a few years back. it's pretty sad overall. idk. Dreams and Linger are better than a lot of the songs that probably inspired them. I always think of Chungking Express when I think of Dreams, even though it's a Faye Wong cover (extremely faithful to the original and therefore sublime.)
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
'Daffodil Lament' is probably the best song they ever did.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
I adore NNTA, really like EEIDISWCW, never heard the rest. I am going to admit right here and now that I played NNTA more often than anything else in my dorm room in 1995
― trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
I came up with a dozen goodies.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:41 (six years ago) link
10. Just My Imagination
that's a good one but i think i prefer "you and me" as a single from that record
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:45 (six years ago) link
Zombie being a huge hit was definitely a problem, the third record even has a terrible remake of it (Hollywood) and the whole thing feels like a mess with that edgier, rockier sound and the political posturing that feels awkward. They were really good at evoking nostalgia in ballad mode, which is why the best cut in there by a long shot is “when you’re gone”.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:10 (six years ago) link
Alfred you forgot “Wanted”
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:18 (six years ago) link
listening back to the first album today I was struck by how much I used to love Waltzing Back. I don't think I've heard that song since probably 1994. Her Irish yelping really works on that.
― akm, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:25 (six years ago) link
Oh, interesting: "Zombie" is what everyone hates? That's the only one of the hits I ever really liked tbh and it still seems iconic of that time to me. Sad that she was so young.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:37 (six years ago) link
waltzing back is fucking great
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 05:07 (six years ago) link
I don’t hate Zombie... I hate what it did to them on the following album.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 06:26 (six years ago) link
last five or so songs on no need to argue are all wonderful
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 06:27 (six years ago) link
What really matters mystifies me is how the songwriting quality basically collapses for the entire stretch between “Ode To My Family” and that final remarkable home stretch.
Actually Everyone... seems really notable for its consistency given the band immediately became so inconsistent (though still capable of greatness) thereafter.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 10:28 (six years ago) link
― dorsalstop, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 10:51 (six years ago) link
I was listening to "Everybody Else Is Doing It" last night for the first time since the 90s. Very strong album, so dreamy and nostalgia-inducing. I really like "pretty" and "put me down"
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 10:54 (six years ago) link
RIP Dolores.
Dreams is an all-time favourite for me. The first album reminds me of moving to London in '93 and drinking with lots of Irish people.
I think Zombie was where a lot of people got off the bus. I remember they took some stick for releasing an anti-IRA protest song only a couple of weeks after the IRA ceasefire - like they could put the peace process at risk.
― Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:06 (six years ago) link
I remember they took some stick for releasing an anti-IRA protest song only a couple of weeks after the IRA ceasefire - like they could put the peace process at risk.
LOL
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:10 (six years ago) link
Don't be daft - 'I Can't Be With You', 'Twenty One' and 'Empty' are three of the best tracks on there!
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link
The first two LP's are near equal in consistency, and would be equal if 'Zombie' wasn't on there.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:42 (six years ago) link
Yeah Sunday is a brilliant, giddy thing, i always thought it was called Sunday because it's their most obvious homage to The Sundays.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
never pursued their albums but i had MTV for the mid 90s when they broke. i remember "Zombie" and "Linger" on constant rotation and i loved those songs.
last night i looked up the video to "Salvation" and holy crap yes there is the killer evil clown creeping at the window that haunted my dreams when i was a teen! i hadn't seen this video in 20 years, tbh im glad i didn't imagine it! really insane video. btw it's actually a pretty cool song
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 13:30 (six years ago) link
She looks seriously fucking ill in the video to 'Free to Decide' ...
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
This is nice, despite the sort of creepy and/or on-the-nose overtones of a lyric about a hotel in London.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=229&v=AG1LGI0Gf_Y
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link
Four tracks into the new (and final) Cranberries album and admittedly I'm enjoying it a lot. For me, this is easily a better record than Roses... it might turn out to be their best since No Need to Argue, actually.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link