Listening to this for the first time, really good! Best since ghost is born
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 1 October 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this album is really super. first listen I was like, hm not so sure. second listen I was like OK this rules. still not sure if I like it better than the last two (my two favorite Wilco albums), but it grows stronger with each spin (currently in the middle of my third)
"One Sunday Morning" is just devastating.
can't wait to hear these songs live. been 15 months since I saw Wilco!
― Stormy Davis, Saturday, 1 October 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
I've become a fan, with a few favourite songs, and I look forward to hearing this album. But that clip above of Tweedy doing "I Got a Feeling" is unbelievably smug. I'd like to think that as a songwriter, he'd recognize "I Got a Feeling" as a great pop song.
― clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not a fan of "I Got a Feeling," but Tweedy and his audience are a bunch of assholes in that clip. If you don't feel a song worth covering, don't cover it.
It reminded me how different the reaction was to Richard Thompson covering Britney.
― thinveneer, Saturday, 1 October 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
so far so good
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Saturday, 1 October 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
I write songs from time to time & I consider "I Got A Feeling" one of the most cynical gestures I've ever heard in my life in any field of artistic effort - generally I'd be with everybody on "only cover songs you, in some way, love" but "I Got A Feeling" is a toxin
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 1 October 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
1) As I noted above, I think, Tweedy's performance of that song was a punchline to a convoluted in-joke involving the fake twitter feed of Rahm Emanuel.
http://chicagoist.com/2011/09/07/mayoremanuel.php#photo-1
Columbia College professor Dan Sinker saw that the situation -- and the politician -- was ripe for satire, and he started the @mayoremanuel twitter account. That turned into a book, as so many internet trends do nowadays, and last night at the Hideout, Sinker and friends celebrated the release of The F***ing Epic Quest of @MayorEmanuel, with special guest Wilco's Jeff Tweedy. Tweedy appears in the @mayoremanuel storyline around the time he played a fundraiser concert for the real Rahm Emanuel."Tweedy's being pissy because he doesn't want to play any Black Eyed Peas songs. What the fuck? People love that shit." - @mayoremanuel, Jan. 30, 2011 -
2) "I Got a Feeling" is not a good song by just about any standard other than simply being popular. It's unctuous.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 October 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
oh whew, yeah for a while there I thought you guys were all referring to The Beatles, and I'm like, what? Tweedy and fans mocking The Beatles!? but yeah some googling reveals he covered some Black Eyed Peas song called "I Gotta Feeling". Yeah fuck them.
― Stormy Davis, Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
Hey, it's "I Gotta Feeling", which takes it from rational grammar into the realm of magic. I think it's the Eames Chair of pop music.
Wish this album were called The Whole Lot of Love.
― per metal injection (Eazy), Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
I think "I Gotta Feeling" is one of the greatest pop songs of the past decade. I don't love it quite as much as "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart," but I'd take it over any Wilco song after that. In any event, I agree with thinveneer above: if your sole purpose in covering a song is to show how superior you are to it--least of all to a roomful of people who already agree with you--that's pathetic. Pretty sure the Beatles were smarter than that.
― clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
Would love to know what's so cynical about "I Gotta Feeling."
― clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
wilco sucks
― dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
don't really care, but you know, the radiohead principle
I think "I Gotta Feeling" is one of the greatest pop songs of the past decade.
you really honestly think that? I mean dude I am not trying to beef or get into some stupid "YOU LIKE IT BUT I THINK IT SUCKS" thing but just...from a song perspective...that song is terrible! lyrically it's just the most transparent "let's get this played at arenas, arena money is awesome" move - it's like somebody writing a song called "America Loves the Packers" during a playoff run or something, only worse - the chord changes bring zero rhythmically to the table and melodically they're boilerplate recycled eurotrance, there literally isn't one generic trance dude who couldn't have actually put an emotional arc into those changes at least - lyrically it's a total zero - it's like - I guess you can say fairly "if you're into it, the vibe is great" but as a pop song, it is terrible. A badly written, brainless tune. There are good brainless tunes. This isn't one.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
i ranked it the 8th greatest pop song of the past decade, so i got clemenza's back on this one: al ship's top 50 pop singles of the 00s -- which is your favorite? (other than SUBG)
― some dude, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
Of course that's what I think--if I didn't, then why would I say I would? It was #1 on my year-end that year, and I think it's as great a pop song as "You! Me! Dancing!" or "What Have I Done to Deserve This?" or "Wedding Bell Blues" or fifty zillion other pop songs I love. I mean, I'm hardly the only person to think so--it was #1 for 14 consecutive weeks that summer, and I think even critics generally liked it (top 20 on that year's Pazz & Jop). Before "I Gotta Feeling," I hated most of the Black-Eyed Peas I knew. As far as it being cynical goes, I have no idea where you get that; it came out in the summer of 2009, so it seems clear enough to me that the African-American who wrote it might still be fairly ecstatic over the election of the first African-American president ever--I don't hear cynicism at all, just plain old joy. Lyrically, it is what it is; the lyrics work just fine in the context of the song, and "Mazal tov" is an inspired touch.
All of which is neither here nor there to my original point. If you hate it, fine, pop music's very subjective. But if you hate it, covering it in front of a roomful of people who also hate it so you can bask in each other's superior taste is, to me, pathetic.
― clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
IGAF definitely sounds like an ur-pop song
― dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
it has a virality
― dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
That should read: "most of the Black-Eyed Peas music I knew"; the Black-Eyed Peas themselves, I didn't really have an opinion.
― clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
It's no "Surfin' Bird," I'll say that.
I don't see how anyone could play that song on acoustic guitar and sell it. Not Jeff Tweedy, and probably not will.i.am.
Clemenza, where do you stand on "My Humps?"
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
clemenza don't sweat it -- underrated basically believes that songs with less than totally thought out and articulate lyrics are impossible to enjoy on any level (unless it's metal, then it's all good)
― some dude, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
I would probably love "I Gotta Feeling" if it were literally inarticulate, like, totally unintelligible.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
the lyrics to IGAF are very charming
― dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
clemenza don't sweat it -- underrated basically believes that songs with less than totally thought out and articulate lyrics are impossible to enjoy on any level
no he doesn't. he likes amy grant!
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110813221644/twilightsaga/images/d/dd/Jacob_edward_lmfao_hating_is_bad.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I think your delusional idea of what I actually think about stuff is clashing with reality here - "I Gotta Feeling" is just a shitty song is all, my collection's full of pop, metal, CCR, rap & plenty of other stuff with dumb lyrics
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not being 'delusional' i'm just taunting you for making the same boring uptight argument here that you just made about "pump up the jam" like a week ago
― some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
lol fair enough
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
but like...I was repping for "pump up the volume" on that thread...not exactly a triumph of lyrical effort
sounds like Tweedy found a way to get high again but is not able to really articulate it through his lyrics.
― calstars, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
"My Humps" made me cringe. Before "I Gotta Feeling," the only BEP-related stuff I liked were a couple of Fergie's solo singles; since then, I thought "Check It Out" was great, and I can't think of anything else. But to get it back to Wilco, I've seen both their films, and I came away from the second one really liking Jeff Tweedy as a person. The clip above seems beneath him to me, although I'll grant that there was some (yes, convoluted--I don't quite get it) in-joke context.
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
I don't require that shit be brainy, free 'n' easy is great. the lyrics to "I Gotta Feeling" aren't not-smart-but-who-cares; they're aggressively stupid. they make me want to apologize to people for having to hear them.
I feel stressed outI wanna let it goLets go way out spaced outand losing all control
Jesus Christ at least make the verbs agree before you cash that check you total fucking nihilists, is my opinion
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
CCR has dumb lyrics? Now them's fightin' words...
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
I Gotta Feeing : pop songs :: flag pin : patriotism imo
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
I swear I don't see what's so aggressively stupid about the lyrics you quote. "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart," literally one of my dozen favourite songs ever the past few years, contains the following:
I want to hold you in the Bible-black predawnYou're quite a quiet domino, bury me nowTake off your Band-Aid because I don't believe in touchdownsWhat was I thinking when I said hello?
I can certainly see where someone might find those lyrics aggressively stupid; for me, they're fine (even though I haven't a clue what they mean, or if they mean anything). Lyrics are lyrics; they either work in the context of the song or they don't, but they rarely make or break a song for me.
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
ha dude you won't catch me repping for Tweedy's lyrics anywhere ever, don't get me wrong here I'm not arguing for Wilco I'm just saying I Gotta Feeling is terrible
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
IGAF lyrics are so bad they're good
― dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
you just have to admire their chutzpah
it's like pointing out that the top of mt. everest is freezing. yeah so what? people still wanna climb it!
― dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
wilco, otoh, there's no saving wilco. dud forever
underrated when you blew a gasket about me saying that eminem isn't a good hook writer wasn't that on some '50 million elvis fans can't be wrong' shit? is BEP exempt from your faith in the wisdom of the masses?
― some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
Lyrics are lyrics; they either work in the context of the song or they don't, but they rarely make or break a song for me.
I can 100% groove with this until they do something like right-there-in-front-of-you verb tense shit or (my personal least favorite thing ever) forcing a stress onto an unstressed syllable to make a rhyme (exceptions about; "Suddenly" does not really work well as a rhyme if the next line is "it has happened to me" but I will cut anybody who speaks ill of "Suddenly," an all-time jam). Or until they're like
Lets paint the townWe’ll shut it downLet’s burn the roofand then we’ll do it again
really? "and then we'll do it again"? you didn't have the extra minute to maybe bust out something even a tiny bit fresher than "and then we'll do it again"? oooooohh hate it
xp "I Gotta Feeling" is a good hook that doesn't make it a good song yo
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
one thing more benign about Wilco than "I Gotta Feeling" tho is I basically will never have to hear Wilco unless I choose to. "I Gotta Feeling" though...that shit, I will hear. Often. Until I die. And it will suck every time.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
the best part about graduating college was never having to listen to wilco again
― dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
"Let's burn the roof/and then we'll do it again"--I'd never thought about how completely nonsensical that is. I like the song even more now!
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
lol clemenza that made me smile really big
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
The tao that can be toldis not the eternal TaoThe name that can be namedis not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.Naming is the originof all particular things.
Free from desire, you realize the mystery.Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
Yet mystery and manifestationsarise from the same source.This source is called darkness.
Darkness within darkness.The gateway to all understanding.
Let’s burn the roofand then we’ll do it again.
― dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
They've been casting about for the next politics thread title; I think "Let's Burn the Roof (And Then We'll Do It Again)" just might work.
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, I am so glad Clemenza posted those lyrics -- I was just about to come on here and post something similar, but not in defense of Black Eyed Peas, but in confusion over all the posters that dog the last two Wilco albums upthread. I just listened to 'Wilco (The Album)' again for the first time in like a year, and yeah I think the new one is probably better than it. Still undecided where the new one stacks up against SBS
But like, the last 4 albums Tweedy gets better at lyrics. That's why I laugh at the early Wilco partisans who derided the previous two albums. Give me the oblique, married man, late John Lennon stylings of the last few records over embarassing, precious crap like "the ashtray says you were up all night" or "I am trying to break your heart". could never get into this band until Tweedy grew up (and it also certainly helped when he hired guys that play their instruments at the top of their game like Sansone, Kotche, and Cline)
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
guys everybody read dayo's post out loud and really give it your most sincere reading and you will have a deeply transcendent moment
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link