Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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Oh, of course.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)

By the way, here is some nice new pictures of Miss Allen looking cute ^__^

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:36 (twenty years ago)

i can't believe i fell for that!

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Cod-reggae =! pop

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Nor does it equal Kylie or Betty Boo or whatever else. MIA's pop was forward-looking; Lily's is pretty distinctly not. Backwards-looking music is fine but I think ILM likes its pop futurist.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

The album often sounds like the Sugababes.

― snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

TS: "LDN" vs. "Steal My Sunshine"

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

I think ILM likes its pop futurist.

People talk about [ILM], like it's some giant living in the hillside, coming down to visit the townspeople. We are [ILM]. Me, you, everybody.

We are [ILM], so [ILM] is going where we going. So the next time you ask yourself where [ILM] is going, ask yourself: ‘where am I going? How am I doin?’

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

In that case, right now, ILM is waiting to see if it received a job offer from Dairy Queen.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

It's a bit like Arthur O'Shaughnessy said in "Ode" from his book I Love Music and Moonlight (1874):

"Everybody are the music makers, and ILM are the writers about the dream. Wandering by lone sea breakers, and sitting by desolate streams. World losers and world forsakers, for whom the pale moon gleams. Yet ILM are movers and the shakers of the world forever it seems.”

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Oh Em Gee! ILM got the job. Get excited! 'Movers and shakers of the world' is correct.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Cod-reggae =! pop

you can't call cod-reggae not pop just cuz you don't like cod-reggae.

i like cod-reggae, along with many other varieties. i also like all of lady sov's singles to varying degrees and don't understand what downward trajectory she's supposed to be on. so my critical faculties are not to be trusted here. i agree that lily a's songs are not as sonically distinctive as m.i.a.'s. that's why my first point of comparison for her was nelly furtado. who i also like.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

(and i think one of the problems w/this thread might be its inflationary title. otoh, it did get me to look.)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:57 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure if M.I.A. mostly fetishising early-to-mid-nineties stripped down dancehall makes her obviously more futurist than Lily Allen fetishising late-eighties-to-mid-nineties cod-reggae.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

"Knock 'Em Out" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LDN"

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

yeah i dunno about the "futurist" stuff, that's a dubious notion really. but m.i.a.'s sonic identity is more specific and defined (possibly a weakness, the next album will give some indicators on that).

also this line about lily allen being "indie" and "not pop" is confusing. again people seem to be excluding from "pop" things they just don't like. but of course the whole idea of pop is anti-exclusion, so it seems kind of comically doctrinaire. are we already to the purge stage of poppism?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:22 (twenty years ago)

"Go away now. Let me go. Are you stupid or just a little slow? Please fuck off. Go away now. I've made myself clear. It's not gonna happen. Not in a million years."

See, this is what pop needs more of. More bands and artists should just say what's on their minds.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:23 (twenty years ago)

And anyway I think that any explicit and exclusive futurism position on pop music is pretty hard to maintain at the moment, when it feels like almost every big pop genre is so retro at the moment! Dancehall be rootsy, R&B/hip hop are obsessed with funk, UK pop is reviving electro or doing genre pick'n'mix (Xenomania)... Even crunk and grime are basically in holding patterns, and reggaeton is kinda like two steps back one step forward.

If we're going to talk about what pop does well currently - and then punish Lily for not meeting that standard - we have to talk in terms more sophisticated than FUTURISM = GOOD / RETRO = BAD.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:44 (twenty years ago)

reggaeton is kinda like two steps back one step forward.

that's the actual reggaeton beat, i think.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

haha, i love reggaeton but i have no idea what these steps forward that it's taken are!

i also like all of lady sov's singles to varying degrees and don't understand what downward trajectory she's supposed to be on.

'ch ching' (incredible sunship production + blistering performance from sov) => 'a little bit of shhh' (again magnificent - "OH MY GOD PIANOS!") => 'blah blah' (still great but not as OMG as the first two) => 'random' (fantastic pop song but too much of a sense of reining herself in) => '9 to 5' (oh dear ska, but at least it's catchy) => 'hoodie' (basement jaxx fail to provide magic spark, entire world is like wvs) => '9 to 5 (ordinary boys rmx)' (GAH GAH ABORT MISSION AARGH)

that's why my first point of comparison for her was nelly furtado. who i also like.

this makes sense yes - old-nelly rather than nu-nelly, anyway. and the only old-nelly song i like is 'turn off the light'.

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 4 June 2006 13:08 (twenty years ago)

"haha, i love reggaeton but i have no idea what these steps forward that it's taken are!"

None! I meant that it only finds novelty (one step forward) by focusing on a rhythmic idea that's been floating round the carribean and central america for ages.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 4 June 2006 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't there another SOV single after Hoodie that bombed so bad even ILM only briefly registered it's existence? "Public Warning" or something it was called?

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 4 June 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)

lily allen sound like something i would hear on alt rock radio in like 1996.

― h.s.art? (artdamages), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

but thats comiung form an american obv. can someone explain cod-reggae to me?

― h.s.art? (artdamages), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

1996=2006

just wait a couple of years. everything will get good again...

― h.s.art? (artdamages), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

She's on TOTP next week, you guys.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 June 2006 06:45 (twenty years ago)

"Can't wait" (copyright: Fearne "Cockernee" Cotton)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 June 2006 07:22 (twenty years ago)

This w/end I have heard Lily Allen on Radio 1, 6music and on Radio 2 -- the commercial potential of her stuff has been very carefully judged.

― alext (alext), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:07 (twenty years ago)

And "Sunday Surgery", Mr Doctor hadn't heard of "Lovers Rock" which Ms DJ was describing "Smile" as.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:14 (twenty years ago)

Don't doctors have better things to do with their taxpayer-funded time than distinguish between popular music subgenres?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:16 (twenty years ago)

R&B/hip hop are obsessed with funk, UK pop is reviving electro

BOTH are reviving electro innit.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:43 (twenty years ago)

(this informed by 'the hits' playing 'sos', 'lose control' and 'looking for a perfect beat' all in a row.)

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:44 (twenty years ago)

SOS by ABC, Lose Contol by James, and "Looking for a perfect beat" by ah o bollocks to yer.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 June 2006 09:02 (twenty years ago)

Leapy Lee wasn't it?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 June 2006 09:07 (twenty years ago)

Leapy Lee wuz innocent!

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 June 2006 09:22 (twenty years ago)

It was that Marty Wilde who fitted him up!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 June 2006 09:27 (twenty years ago)

Here's the video for Smile:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vws9Yp_tZbE&search=lily%20allen%20smile

― davidsim (davidsim), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:03 (twenty years ago)

well

that's not fun

― rtccc (mwah), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

the probable album cover :

http://images-cache.cd-wow.com/images/1/1149750591_big.jpg

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 9 June 2006 06:23 (twenty years ago)

More unimaginative Photoshop clutter that probably took all of five seconds to put together.

And the sleeve's not very good either boom boom.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 9 June 2006 06:30 (twenty years ago)

the gun sounds on 'Truth' are so, so dud.

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 9 June 2006 06:30 (twenty years ago)

That sleeve is rather hideous... still not as bad as the last Red Hot Chili Peppers one, which was possibly the worst cover for ten years or so...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

I see the album version of "Knock 'Em Out" (wisely) drops the AIDS joke at the end.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

singin quite well live on TOTP right now. 'Smile' is OK. there's this sense that this is what Corrine Bailey-Rae should sound like even tho technically she's probably the better vocalist overall. i was going to say edge but obv. CBR has none and Allen's is barely tangible itself. sweet enough to not render a song like this a bland waste of time tho.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Sunday, 11 June 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

She's either refusing to look at the audience, or she's going for the wrong camera angles. 'She's better than Sandi Thom' opines my sofa-companion.

― alext (alext), Sunday, 11 June 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

dude, being whacked in the bollocks with an electrified hobnail boot would be better than sandi thom.

dermot o'leary obviously has a thing for her, judging by a throwaway comment on his R2 show yesterday afternoon ("keith allen, my future father-in-law").

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nme.com/news/lily-allen/23316

Shooting Dullards down: Lily Allen

Pop newcomer Lily Allen, has spectacularly dissed former Libertines star Carl Barat and indie darlings The Kooks.

Writing on her blog, the singer declared : "Boys, your regurgitated indie rock days are numbered so get over yourselves."

,,,,,,,,,,

spectacularly sez the NME, more like common sense !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Yep boyz, Kaiser Chiefs covers are the FUTURE! Get used to it.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:49 (twenty years ago)

"Boys, your regurgitated indie rock days are numbered so get over yourselves."

Lily sees no end in site for her 15 minutes.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:52 (twenty years ago)

'site'?

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

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