& the keyboards/organs sound great, the underlying organ part is like a robert lippok record or something
― mr. vertical (schlump), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 12:08 (twelve years ago) link
jeeeezus this is grim
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
have not watched, but assuming that tmz just zipped over to the guy's trailer to dig some dirt, maybe the documentary guy shouldn't have written a story about how sly lives in a van, included its permanent address & sold it to the post
― mr. vertical (schlump), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think TMZ did the interview, it was originally posted here...?
http://www.5min.com/Video/Exclusive---Homeless-Music-Legend-Sly-Stone-Admits-To-Recent-Drug-Use-517169072
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
that was so sad I had to stop watching. One thing's clear, though--Sly's voice is gone...hell Sly himself seems nearly gone. I'd rather see that dude get healthy than hear any new music.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
can barely bring myself to contemplate what's happened to the guy, 'riot' is sometimes my favorite album ever and 'stand' ain't far behind. just terrible to think about.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
This vintage clip is wonderful. Check out the face of the girl at 0:27. As a friend on Twitter pointed out, it reminds you what it was like before everybody became conscious of being on camera. It's pure, unselfconscious joy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWdVClbOYwI&feature=related
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 07:51 (twelve years ago) link
It was also before they invented being jaded. Also, crossing your arms and frowning.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:15 (twelve years ago) link
HE SHOULD HAVE STUCK WITH BUTTERMILK!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Ll2AleUY0
― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
Sly's voice is gone...hell Sly himself seems nearly gone. I'd rather see that dude get healthy than hear any new music.
^^^
decades of crack/cocaine is really hard on the vocal chords
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of funk, isn't George Clinton allegedly a longtime functioning crack/cocaine addict?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
yeah - GC's last arrest for cocaine/crack was in the parking lot of 7/11 in Ohio somewhere iirc...? That Clinton is even still alive and performing is a small miracle. (His voice, which was never all that melodious to begin with, is completely shot too btw). I'm not aure how Clinton has managed to keep going while someone like Sly falls by the wayside. Part of it may just be that Clinton has a much bigger support network/organization, I dunno...
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
What Sly needs is a Phil intervention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLH32F6Xvkw
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
Clinton kinda tight with the old purse strings... according to various ex P-Funkers
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
yeah there's that
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
Clinton also seems willing/eager to work though - tours constantly, guest appearances, albums, etc.
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
He's been a businessman since he ran the barbershop back in Plainfield
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
Parliafunkadelicment never had the massive hits that Sly did, so their commercial troughs wouldn't have been very deep (and therefore, disillusioning/disheartening/demoralizing), compared to Sly's. But yeah, Clinton never stopped touring (and he generally tended to show up to his shows).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
Mind you, think he's been bankrupt at least once
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
huh had no idea clinton was still a drug abuser -- he just played in my neck of the woods. interviews i've read with him actually seem pretty together. guess he's figured out how to function for the most part.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
Sly Stone's problem is not lack of money. It's lack of touring to make money, like GC does. But again, if Gil-Scott wasn't living in a van. there's no reason Sly should be.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, how much did Sly make off Janet Jackson?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
Thinking that, whatever his ups and downs, Clinton's a much less troubled individual than Sly (or Gil Scott-Heron)
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
I guess? Implication is that Sly would be a mess even without drugs, which I guess is possible.
Anyway, someone get this guy an ambulance chaser so that he can get paid!
http://www.whosampled.com/producer-sampled/Sly%20Stone/?sp=4
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
Sly was very together in the early days, but I think the success got to him (just) before the drugs
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
Clinton's last arrest in 2003
dude in P-Funk's road crew told me Clinton tours with a defibrillator.
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
it sounds more like Sly just manages his money badly/gives shit away/loses track of it etc
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
surely the dude should be living off of royalties alone
Yes, he must earn enough money a year not to have to live in van
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
Clinton must have made a load of dough from licensing his work for samples. I'm sure Sly must have been sampled extensively but nowhere near as much or as lucratively as GC.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Nonetheless he shouldn't be in the state he's in.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
I have a source inside the P-Funk camp that says GC finally got off drugs earlier this year after a health scare. If so, good for him. Unfortunately, Sly's never had that kinda willpower when it comes to cleaning up, and those years of isolation must've done some damage. I mean, with or without drugs, Clinton's been more "together" than Sly since about 1973. That's more than half both their lives.
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
^^^wouldn't be so sure about that re: GC and sampling royalties - Clinton gave away a lot of stuff, and ownership of his publishing rights went back and forth a lot (so many lawsuits, I can't keep track)
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
IIRC, Clinton has been/is being royally screwed by Westbound Records, and not in the normal ways labels screw artists: his signature was forged on a re-up of a contract.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, he's devoted a whole blog to that subject: http://www.funkprobosci.com/
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
wow
'Coming to you from George Clinton better known as lethal lip the linguistic full metal jacket of vernacular ballistic shooting off at the mouth without chapped lips, hairs on my funk while others flunk diaper rash.’
love
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
the article above suggested sly had been screwed over by the label, etc, and that his publishing had been sold off back in the 80s, so that, combined w/his legendary untogetherness, means this sad situ shouldn't be too much of a surprise.
seriously, after reading that 'in their own words' book a few years back, i'm amazed sly made it to the 80s.
― Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
that book is so good
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5vu9eNMKgQ
― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
I think Sly played on that Material/Maceo EP back in ... 1990? With Bootsy, Bobby Byrd and Bernie Worrell, among the Laswell ringers.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
i've always wondered if george and sly had any memory of making this. i just imagine everyone waking up on the floor of the studio at 4 in the afternoon trying to remember what happened the night before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kef7gR6bhUA
― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
Sly shows up on the Axiom Funk comp with that crew...on the worst track of the bunch unfortunately. xp
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
Xpost- the audio on that YouTube clip ain't the 12 inch version of "Hydraulic Pump," which has verses and is 12 minutes long. It beats the shit out of the version above, which was on the otherwise excellent Urban Dancefloor Guerillas. And yeah, they musta been high as kites.
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
long version is on Spotify btw
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkPci47b2EQ
― Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
missing a minute and a half tho
― Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
You pump up and down, you pump up and down, you pump up and down and then you break it down!
― Melle Mel and the Coconuts (thewufs), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
probably fuck all since Michael Jackson owned Sly's publishing by then
― robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
yep. sold 'em to MJ some time in the early 80s iirc
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link