New Scott Walker album: 'The Drift'

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I'm also halfway through, at "Cue". It's all very spooky. I like it, it punches you in the face the way all original things should, there's an amazing surprise corner every couple of minutes, the sound of a donkey braying, terrifying! Stuff you've never heard in a "pop song" before. I'd say his only Anglo-Saxon peer is David Sylvian, though there are more parallels in the francophone world. This is rather like early Brigitte Fontaine or late Leo Ferre.

Fuck, another nightmare surprise! A screaming orchestra! It's terrifying!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 April 2006 02:32 (twenty years ago)

>Finally saw this. I'd have been really curious to know what Scott >actually listens to himself.

There was an interview, way back in 95 when TilT was out, where he said he was listening to Nine Inch Nails and PH Harvey at that time.
I think the interview was in WIRE, but I am not sure.

Julian Kenning, Monday, 3 April 2006 05:38 (twenty years ago)

"Iam worried about this documentary, because it will contain a plethora of stupidity. "

oh really? hm.

S.K., Monday, 3 April 2006 09:13 (twenty years ago)

do you have more of a goldfrapp saying boring crap like "this is proper music"?

am excited abt it, to see more of scott and in the studio, but not terribly looking forward to people who I don't, necessarily, dislike but saying a lof of v uninsightful stuff, etc

RJG (RJG), Monday, 3 April 2006 09:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't think all original things should punch you in the face, unless punch you in the face means strike you as original.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 3 April 2006 09:35 (twenty years ago)

Who's saying that they should?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 3 April 2006 09:35 (twenty years ago)

>I have read more intelligent discussion here than the babble I have witnessed on the Culture show.

Well of course you have. As people keep reiterating, the Culture Show is intended as a topical "sampler" of what's going on across the board in the midbrow arts world. If you want specifics, go elsewhere. Or come here.
As for Scott: yeah, he came across as a witty, approachable fellow. But the new music sounded bloody awful.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Monday, 3 April 2006 10:18 (twenty years ago)

I'd love to be halfway through the album ;-)

Please share, will buy the original on the day of release.

Scott fan, Monday, 3 April 2006 10:25 (twenty years ago)

Halfway through might well be amazing but just wait unti you get about four minutes into the penultimate track!
You may well shit your pants.

Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Monday, 3 April 2006 11:23 (twenty years ago)

I like it, it punches you in the face the way all original things should,

-- Momus (nic...) (webmail), Today 4:32 AM. (Momus) (later)


(X-post to Marcello)

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 3 April 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

mmm facepunching... I agree with the Sylvian comparison (if only for Blemish- his othr stuff is a bit too cuddly)... Have all you people got the promo?

geko-pel, Monday, 3 April 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

We're all Scott's mates, this stuff about him being "the world's biggest recluse" is crap.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

the sound of a donkey braying, terrifying

That's actually the tubax, a saxophone the size of a tuba. But yes, fucking amazing sound.

Turangalila (Salvador), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)


actually, the tubax is what you hear in "Hands Me Up", that low, skronking, sax-sounding thing. the donkey in "Jolson & Jones" is actually a donkey, gleaned from a sound effects record.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Gah.
It sounds disturbing and wonderful. Is he still doing that mix of beatific modern classical beauty and wrenching atonal horror-show?

gek-opel, Monday, 3 April 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)


less of the former and more of the latter!

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Hmm... any of the dali-guitarmelt-rock of tilt (the track itself)?
Or more along the 6am fear vibe of the ute lemper material released a few years back?

gek-opel, Monday, 3 April 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

There's nothing here I would call "rock". There are twangy guitars and drums, and perhaps the first track "Cossacks" comes closest when it puts them together... But the grammar is just not rock's grammar.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

nice to hear he got Donald Duck recording again!

rizzx (Rizz), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

xpost -

put it this way: after listening to The Drift for a long time and then going back to Tilt, i was surprised at how melodic Tilt was.


also, almost everyone associated with scott is referring to this as "rockin" or "his rock record". it's a silly bit of spin, but be prepared.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Thats always true of "hard" listens. You immerse for a few months, then return 6 months down the line and they've got so much "easier"... probably because you've been contemplating it inbetween (processing it)...
No fear over the absence of rock (i meant guitars more than "rawkingness" per se) but structurally i'm intrigued to see if he's pushed a bit further out from basically very long songs (but still structured A/B/C/D/A/B/C/D/E- sectionwise just like a verse/chorus song but distended, stretched).

gek-opel, Monday, 3 April 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

aha- gottit. It seems like this will take some digesting!

gek-opel, Monday, 3 April 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

oink oink.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Gek-opel and Simon H. OTM. So fucking OTM.

*cries of joy*

Gerard (Gerard), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Ah, I can hardly wait to hear this - I've been listening to "Tilt" non-stop lately and it's quite a great album to me for one major reason - every time I listen again it seems less impenetrable and often I find parts linger in my mind until I hear it again, like it changes shape and offers a different experience each time.

Ross, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

JESUS H -- WHEN IN GOD'S NAME IS THIS GOING TO LEAK?!?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

3 songs have leaked.......Cossacks Are, Clara, and Jesse. Very scary, fragmented, TILT and beyond. Great. One early complaint, tho.....I just wish the vocal melodies were a bit more varied, sometimes.

Seth Storms, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:48 (twenty years ago)


curiously, those are the first 3 songs on the record, consecutively. whoever leaked them is at least showing some respect for continuity.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 02:53 (twenty years ago)

Where can I find these so-called leaks? Soulseek for Mac is paltry with the Scott.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 03:25 (twenty years ago)

Seth, that seems to me the key problem with Tilt and the little of Drift I've heard. The vocal lines seem all but arbitary, floating around in that ghostly register he seems to use (all that's left?) Like Rosary - sends my Scott 4-loving girlfriend from the room.

lee ward (lee ward), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 03:47 (twenty years ago)

I agree, Lee. However, as someone else stated......TILT seems downright melodic compared to THE DRIFT. I've only heard 3 tracks so far tho, and while I'm grateful to hear them early, I don't like hearing them out of the context of the whole album. I'm sure the lack of vocal melodies is by design. His voice still seems to have plenty of range, but he seems more concerned with the overall sound and feel than the vocals. Which is understandable. There's more than enough amazing Scott crooning in his back catalogue.

Seth, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:18 (twenty years ago)

Okay, I've listened to this maybe 10 times now and I'm starting to get the hang of it. It's surprisingly listenable, but it took a few listens to find a "hook" into the record. There are some great moments buried in the chaos. I'd say that its biggest problem is that it is a bit monochromatic. It would have been nice if there were some more surprising melodic moments or arrangements. Or some brightness to offset the overwhelming darkness. I'm not exactly complaining, I think it's a great record, but a few more colors would have made it even better.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 06:38 (twenty years ago)

it's on slsk, yesterday already

rizzx, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 06:58 (twenty years ago)

I just wish the vocal melodies were a bit more varied, sometimes.

Seth, that seems to me the key problem with Tilt and the little of Drift I've heard. The vocal lines seem all but arbitary, floating around in that ghostly register he seems to use

I agree, Lee. However, as someone else stated......TILT seems downright melodic compared to THE DRIFT.

Not released for another month, and yet the backlash has already begun!

Zara_, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 07:19 (twenty years ago)

Don't believe the backlash.

The Drift is incredible.

The vocal lines in Tilt and Drift are about as far from "arbitrary" as you can get. EVERY word and EVERY sound on this album has a place.

And for those hankering after more melody, give it up! There is plenty melody – however brutal some of it may be. Anyway, why is melody so important? Do you only watch films with a clearly defined plot or a happy ending?
These songs work within the medium of music better than almost anything else I can think of. For decades now, Scott Walker's music has been about context and appearance but once you go deeper you find that it is also dealing with how it achieves that appearance [Thanks Jim]

Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 07:39 (twenty years ago)

I find this record spectacular and impressive, but it would have been wiser to release it in the autumn or winter instead of spring.

snowballing (snowballing), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, why is melody so important? Do you only watch films with a clearly defined plot or a happy ending?

It's not the lack of a melody, it's the fact that the melodies are frustratingly narrow in compass, and don't sound written (to me at least). The analogue with films is misleading. Films that work always seem to have an interior logic that make them work (Lynch, Bergman, Tarkovsky) even if that logic remains hidden to the viewer.

In other words, I never felt on Tilt that one day I was just going to 'get' the tunes. I just thought they were weak (and I don't mean 'not poppy'...), although often the music compensated. But not always. That said, I've heard ONE track from Drift, so I really ought to be quiet now.

lee ward (lee ward), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:26 (twenty years ago)

Well I haven't heard The Drift yet. But Tilt mostly sounds melodic to me. It feels like melody is the one thing he didn't deliberately jettison on that album. Farmer In The City has a pretty strong melody line, so does the title track as well as a number of others.

jz, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:33 (twenty years ago)

haven't lynch and tarkovsky often said there's no hidden logic, in their films?

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:39 (twenty years ago)

I agree, my Melody/Film Plot analogy was a bit shit but perhaps I meant that melody is all too often held up as the key to what makes good music. Many great composers have been trying to escape the Doe Ray Me for over a century.
Sometimes the melodic lines in Tilt and The Drift seem obvious or simple but maybe they're offering a familiar – if precarious – rock to cling to for brief moments in the songs ... the slowed down "Jailhouse Rock" guitar motif in "Jesse", for instance.

I'm not sure what Tarkovsky has said about hidden logic but both He and Lynch seem to deal in dream language and metaphors for the human condition.
I agree with Lee Ward about the interior logic (Tarkovsky talked about Rhetoric and Haiku) but I hear this same integrity in Tilt and The Drift.
On a side note, didn't Tarkovsky aslo struggle with his spirituality – something Scott Walker described in a 1995 interview for The Wire.

I am curious how a melody can "sound written", I don't mean to provoke, I would really like to know.

Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 09:17 (twenty years ago)

written = pre-conceived. Not improvised

lee ward (lee ward), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Aah, I get you.
I don't know how he writes the music but he has said in interview that he often abandons some of his carefully written lyrics during the actual recording (much like Robert Wyatt)

Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 10:52 (twenty years ago)

OK.....just heard the whole thing......forget missing melody......it IS plenty melodic, actually. THE DRIFT is the best horror film ever made. Just amazing. I'm speechless. This will take tons of listens to sink in. Thank GOD someone halfway mainstream is doing work like this. Incredible. Beyond incredible.

Seth, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:56 (twenty years ago)

i am so excited at the prospect of this…
care to share?

k

keefus (keefus), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:00 (twenty years ago)

asking for shares is really, really gauche.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

goddammit won't hear this until I get back next week

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm heading to a donkey sanctuary this weekend to get in the mood.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Why not go to Galway?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)

wow this was a difficult listen on the train into work this morning in the pouring rain. will have to revisit.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Time to stop looking at this thread, I think. Will buy it when it comes out. Nice to have things to look forward to, y'know?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:28 (twenty years ago)


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