THE BIG 4 poll

...and that Jordan had been talking about say Ride through the Black album.

^^^

btw, don't forget to check out my Metallica tribute band, Ride Through The Black.

like which of the 5 huge singles from the black album could possibly be described as "hookless"

all the ones I can't remember (which is all of them except for Enter Sandman)

Metallica is the only one of the 4 I've ever owned an album by (Master of Puppets) - but I don't really know the other three well enough to vote.

Ride The Lightening took 3 years to go gold whereas the black album was multi-platinum within months, so that's a really uselessly vague definition of "commercial peak"

"Unforgiven," "Sad But True," "Nothing Else Matters," and "Wherever I May Roam" are not hookless just because you can't remember them fyi

hooks by definition are memorable! all I remember about those songs are that I thought they were awful when I heard them.

I don't remember any of those songs but that's because I didn't particularly want to listen to Metallica and actively avoided them

let's say '84 - '88 + maybe half the black album

(xp) If any of them have a motif even vaguely in the league of the guitar riff of "Enter Sandman", calling them "hookless" is really, really silly

Ride The Lightening

milan kundera/metallica mashup

let's say '84 - '88 + maybe half the black album

― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, September 16, 2011 2:30 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

let's say "creative peak" because you obviously don't know what "commercial peak" means

i guess shakey was the one that said commercial peak but assuming that's still what we're talking about

If you look at commercial peak through past performance though, which would be better to judge popularity over time, you have 3x, 5x, 6x, 8x, 15x platinum for Kill 'em All through the black album. But I'll bet that a lot of those purchases were made after the black album came out.

Then you have 5x, 3x, 2x, 2x platinum for Load through Death Magnetic. I think a factor in Load's performance here had a lot to do with it's riding on the coattails of the black album. Plus ninja stars and hockey jerseys.

when i said "peak" i was thinking "peak of their talents", not sales

ok

Plus ninja stars and hockey jerseys.

load was metallica's teenage mutant ninja turtles 3

Is everybody cool now on what Jordan and Shakey were talking about, because we can probably spin this simple misunderstanding out into 200 posts by close-of-business if there's any doubt.

If you look at commercial peak through past performance though, which would be better to judge popularity over time, you have 3x, 5x, 6x, 8x, 15x platinum for Kill 'em All through the black album. But I'll bet that a lot of those purchases were made after the black album came out.

by far the majority of those sales are post-Black Album -- before '91 And Justice was double platinum and most of the other albums were one time platinum. probably 95% of the units they've shifted have been since then.

Gotta take the boring position of voting Metallica. For my buying dollar, none of the other bands wrote anything as exciting as Whiplash or Battery.

The numbers are weird because I would assume based on radio-play and just what people say, that Master of Puppets is more popular than Justice.

probably true in the long run but "One" being their MTV breakthrough at the time probably trumped overall fan feeling or retrospective critical rankings

Was One that big of a breakthrough though?

...yes?

I remember seeing it once, and then I later had to go buy the 2 of One videotape to see it again.

I didn't even have cable at the time when that came out and I almost literally could not visit a friend who did, turn on MTV and not see that video within 15 minutes.

seems sad to me that of the 15 million who bought the black album approx 10 million of them dont have the far superior ride the lightning

OK, fair enough. I was mostly outside riding bikes at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUraxKNxCm4&feature=related

hahaha

I think the fact that Slayer is the only band in the Big 4 listed in the Spin Alternative Record Guide says a little something about their appeal on ILX.

any metal community would vote slayer, megadeth, metallica, anthrax in that order & would then spend most of the thread arguing about whether there ought to be a fifth option for metallica with cliff, and then side-track into how Testament really ought to be here instead of Anthrax

lol aero much love

I will put on an Anthrax album before Metallica and Megadeth any day of the week.

which one

I will put on an Anthrax album before Metallica and Megadeth any day of the week.

well, then you're kind of silly imo, because Anthrax doesn't have any albums as good as Metallica's & Megadeth's best albums. they're a great band. but you're kinda repping for EPMD over PE here. fuck anybody who isn't down with EPMD but over PE? come on now.

By the way, the t-shirts at the big four were all ugly as fuck.

Someone should have really commissioned one of those faux-experimental jetset

METALLICA&
SLAYER&
MEGADETH&
ANTHRAX.

all helevitica shirts because some of us aren't 15 anymore.

aero, i'm just saying that's personal preference man. i'm sure some people like EPMD over PE

Does Pushead still roam the earth?

actually I would challop EPMD over PE all day for lols and would argue in earnest that if you want chill grooves PE never found any as deep as EPMD's

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2503/4031770862_acffa97ea9_b.jpg

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they could have at least had the band names in each other's logo styles or something

when i said "peak" i was thinking "peak of their talents", not sales

― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, September 16, 2011 6:34 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark

can't fucking believe it took you guys 30 posts to understand this was jordan's point in the first place

it didn't, really

more obtuse than a blind fucking samurai in this bitch sometimes i swear to god

Metallica's peak, that's where I'm a viking.

lol

why are these bands the big 4?

Interesting that there was a Clash of the Titans tour in 1991 with this line-up, except swapping Alice in Chains for Metallica.

responding to this:
I was at the Big 4 and thought to myself that it really does make sense that the two biggest bands from this are the most extreme and the most unrepentantly wussy
with this:
might also be the fact that during their peak metallica was completely incapable of writing something that wasn't a hook.

implies that their commercial and creative peaks are related, which is not the case with Metallica imho

but whatever HOOS, let's move on...

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