JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

i'm listening to 'karma' for the first time....

mind = blown

A common reaction

i just did all my laundry and hung it up then sat down with it playing with the sun streaming in through the windows and fuck me it feels truly spiritual

That is so wonderful.

Thread creator had a master plan

Because we're all younger than 70.

― Halal Spaceboy

xpost: i get this argument from people at work that know absolutely nothing about music from before they were born. it's as if they believe the world was waiting for them to be born before good music could be made. i don't get it and i guess they just don't care

Rock Hardy does not care about old jazz people.

I don't think William meant it like that, but it's pretty fair to say that most people don't know the pre 45 jazz as well as the post 45. And one of the reasons for that is because you don't really hear that stuff now unless you listen to radio for people over 70! Or you were one of those over 70s who were around when that music was the music everyone listened to.

The whole point of the proposed pre-45 tracks poll is because jazz was about tracks back then, and those of us who know little will check out youtubes and spotify's of nominated tracks ,the same way everyone did with the 50s poll, and learn about it and vote.
If you do an alltime poll then that probably wont happen so much and everyone will just vote for tracks off the albums that made this album poll.

That is why I think ez snappin's suggestion is better than the one Tuomas has asked for.

So does ez snappin do a pre-45 tracks poll or tuomas do an all-time tracks poll?

Because we're all younger than 70.

What does that have to do with anything? I could easily name 20 or 30 pre-1945 tracks I could vote for in an all-time tracks poll.

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Your experience and ability is not universal, Tuomas! Jesus!

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yeah i wish i knew ANYTHING about pre-45 but i'm not sure i could name 10 records let alone pick out some to vote for.

this weekend i bought:

shorter's schizophrenia (whoa)
green's street of dreams (bobby i could kiss you)

and it didn't place but i've been meaning to get it for a while, duke's the afro-euroasian ecplise which, if you are currently jamming to money jungle because of this thread, you'll also love.

need to check that one out

It's almost as good as The Far East Suite. Also, Latin American Suite is a motherfucker.

oh cool, i will need to check it out then!

was thinking some more about the 60s jazz audience this morning and wondering if there was a modern parallel to the cultural space that jazz occupied during that time - "serious" music, audience of primarily college kids and middle class "intellectuals", paid lots of lip service by mainstream media, perceived as "cutting edge" and then thought... oh duh, indie rock

big bands:dancing::bebop:chinstroking:::"rock and roll":dancing::indie rock:shoegazing

exactly

vulcan mind-meld

that one music appreciation course I took where the prof said "jazz just turned from a dance music to a chamber music" snapped so much into sharp focus for me -- that progression has been repeating for centuries

A while ago I started a thread where I tried to formulate that sort of change in musical genres, but it wasn't very popular:

Major musical changes and the body/brain dichotomy.

not enough of an attention-getting thread title, should've gone with IS INDIE ROCK THE NEW JAZZ???!?!!! lol

also not getting enough attention maybe because the poll ended a while ago.

i prefer shakeys title and think he should start that thread

It's gonna take me a few more weeks to absorb everything. One that stood out was Donald Byrd's A New Perspective. The choir works surprisingly well, something you don't often hear on a jazz album.

Shakey Mo reckons INDIE IS THE NEW JAZZ - What current music will be the big cultural signifier of this time?

One that stood out was Donald Byrd's A New Perspective

YESSSS I am super-stan for this album

I don't think I've heard that Donald Byrd. Choir? Really? Nice.

jazz choir? just as loathsome as jazz harp.

jk, i like that record. amazing cover photo too.

yeah the cover's how I found out about it to begin with

er rather the Tone Loc "homage" to it

glad to see love for that album.

The choir works surprisingly well, something you don't often hear on a jazz album.

On a similar note, the string quartet on the Andrew Hill Mosaic Select set works insanely well. I wouldn't expect any less from Hill, but it's really incredible how the strings are worked into the arrangements.

But exactly how popular was, say, a giant like John Coltrane...? I have no idea. And who bought these records? Middle-class black people, white "intellectuals"...? I can't really see Hank Mobley and Grant Green appealling much to teenagers, the whole Blue Note vibe is one of adult sophistication, for example.

Was just at lunch, reading an article in Wax Poetics about the 'Jamaica Kats', best known for Tom Browne's "Funkin for Jamaica". By the 60s, Jamaica, Queens had become an enclave of 'professional' blacks. Their families and parents' friends would get together on Sundays, listen to records, and debate whether or not, say, Sonny Stitt was better than Bird. One 'kat' was in 6th grade classes w/Coltrane's daughter, and awed by that connection. They knew Jackie McClean from him performing at weddings.

I made a mix for Spotify-less friends with samples from the top 40 entries. PM if ya want it.

has anyone heard this album? http://allmusic.com/album/windjammer-r141115

That is one stinker of a review.

http://allmusic.com/artist/freddie-hubbard-p85567/discography The mid to late 70s albums all get horrid reviews as does that album that somehow made it into the poll 'sing me a song of songmy'

review makes it sound intriguing tbh. never heard it.

those mid-late 70s reviews really are bad. He must have really lost it. Guess he just about killed his reputation by then.

sounds like the kind of thing jaxon would be familiar with

I'm kind of curious myself

well, it's sometimes hard to go by reviews during that period -- i think the penguin jazz guide has nothing good to say about those mid-70s donald byrd/mizell bros. records, but they're fantastic. whether they're good "jazz" is debatable, I guess, but i love the tunes.

Yeah I love that period of Donald Byrd, but they do get good reviews elsewhere, I'm not sure these Hubbard ones do.

yeah, they're beloved by funk/r&b/fusion people, but for certain types of jazz d-bags, they might be insufferable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qcVl6GNqE8

sounds perfectly fine to me

is freddie in a bubble on that cover? or is it shrinkwrap that he appears to be trying to burst out of?

well as a funk guy maybe i'll dig it. I'll see if its on spotify

It is on spotify -- I made it exactly 1:13 into "Dream Weaver" when the backing vocals started, and had to turn it off.

ha yeah, it's not great.

maybe instead of a jazz listening club ilm needs an underrated jazz funk album listening club ;)

agree it isn't great - it's wholly unremarkable for the most part - but it isn't TERRIBLE

Are there many completely terrible jazz albums out there by otherwise half-decent artists? Don't think I've had the misfortune to encounter any so far myself.

There are plenty of aesthetically questionable records by otherwise good players out there -- usually from the 70s or 80s by players who were at their peak in the 50s/60s, and usually in some kind of "crossover" vein and/or rock-influenced records by artists that were kind of lukewarm about the whole fusion thing. I guess you could argue that a lot of them are no worse than some run-of-the-mill jam session records.