JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

curses!

But you said you haven't bought Vol. 3 yet. That one's cheap! And packed with awesome!

not so cheap over here

i wonder if the jazz listening club impacted on the results here. Maybe it was a success after all. Dunno if it would be worth starting up again however.

obv not :)

Coltrane on Impulse vol 4 does look great:

Expression
Live at the Village Vanguard Again!
Om
Cosmic Music (with Alice Coltrane)
Selflessness featuring My Favorite Things

Already have Expression and I've got LATVVA on vinyl, but haven't heard any of those last three. All pretty hard to come by on CD I should imagine. Any idea what'll be on 5?

I just got Money Jungle in the mail, so far I'm liking it a lot. I love how minimalist and punctuated by empty spaces Ellington's playing is. (Though I do wonder if it was merely an aesthetic choice, or whether his advanced age forced him to play that way, not being able to play that fast anymore?) Also, Roach's showcase tune ("A Little Max") is hella groovy, good thing they found it in the Blue Note vaults, since it wasn't on the original album. I love it when bebop drummers who were mostly delegated to cymbal tapping get to show off like that.

if i had lots of money i would certainly have bought those impulse sets. As i said on the FOPP thread, i wish they were still good for jazz like they used to be. Terrible now.
But since a bunch of classic Blue Note is £3.99 on amazon it's not so bad. Got a big list bookmarked and ready to buy from once i can afford more.

I may have said this on other jazz threads, but my almost purely classical-loving dad was really into money jungle when I played it for him.

Coltrane on Impulse Vol. 5:

Live In Seattle
Sun Ship
Transition
Infinity
Coltrane In Japan

but you can't listen to it to tell us how they sound?

Not out yet. I can't listen to Volume 4 for several more weeks.

I may have said this on other jazz threads, but my almost purely classical-loving dad was really into money jungle when I played it for him

I just got Money Jungle in the mail, so far I'm liking it a lot. I love how minimalist and punctuated by empty spaces Ellington's playing is. (Though I do wonder if it was merely an aesthetic choice, or whether his advanced age forced him to play that way, not being able to play that fast anymore?) Also, Roach's showcase tune ("A Little Max") is hella groovy, good thing they found it in the Blue Note vaults, since it wasn't on the original album. I love it when bebop drummers who were mostly delegated to cymbal tapping get to show off like that.

― Tuomas, Friday, September 9, 2011 3:29 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he wasnt that advanced in age, and its definitely a conscious aesthetic choice -- his chops werent hurt by age & tbh he was never really a speedy player anyway? he was known for overall conceptual choices & musical ones not technique or something

interesting, the classical connection w/ money ungle. a little while ago, richard brody (film ed. for new yorker) wrote:" Money Jungle, the one jazz record that gives me the same feelings as when I listen to Beethoven's late quartets."
anyway, yeah, ellington was not like a virtuoso pianist (at least compared to say, art tatum), and it served him well -- he was able to adjust his style for all kinds of recording situations, from Money Jungle to the COltrane record to his own stuff.

ellington was not like a virtuoso pianist

if jazz ever gets hip to indiekids then duke ellington will be their main mann.

Anatomy of a Murder score is another good later-period Duke imo

Transition
Infinity

Never heard either of these and tend to get the posthumous muddled but is Infinity the one with the overdubbed strings or something?

yeah infinity is the one alice overdubbed strings/organ/etc on. it's cool.

Hmmm, that seems to be the expensive one to buy separately. £69 on Amazon here wah!

wow that's a bit expensive

is it a japanese reissue?

Transition
Infinity

Never heard either of these and tend to get the posthumous muddled but is Infinity the one with the overdubbed strings or something?

Transition is amazing, one of the better quartet dates, nearly as intense as Sun Ship.

For those on the fence about the Impulse Vol. 5 set, the 2CD Live In Seattle and the monstrous(ly brilliant) 4CD Live In Japan are essential, and aren't as well served by the original LP formations as some of the other Impulse dates are.

so so expensive

I saw a few copies of The Classic Quartet: Complete Impulse! Studio Recordings at Rasputin for around $40. Also on Amazon. I think from 1998, should sound fine.

not heard the 4cd live in japan i dont think. I have olatunji on cd

no cds in mail today :(

btw who is volunteering to run the pre-1945 Jazz Tracks poll?
EZ Snappin it was your idea so you want to run it?

Why does it have to be pre-1945 jazz tracks? Couldn't we just a have a greatest jazz tracks of all time poll?

then 1945 would get shafted as everyone votes for post 45 stuff? the reason the pre 45 tracks poll was mooted was because it wasn't an album era so was losing out in an albums poll.

But if you want to run an all-time tracks poll go for it.

I'm not going to be able to run anything for a few months, but if people want to wait and abide by whatever arcane rules I come up with then I could do it eventually. It would be pre-45 tracks only.

IMO having a tracks poll would make sure pre-1945 stuff gets its due. It was obviously shafted here because there weren't albums then, but why would it get shafted in a tracks poll?

Because we're all younger than 70.

With every other genre poll there's been one for albums and one for tracks. It'd be sad if with this one there'd be no "greatest tracks of all time" poll.

Because we're all younger than 70.

What does that have to do with anything? I could easily name 20 or 30 pre-1945 tracks I could vote for in an all-time tracks poll.

Your experience and ability is not universal, Tuomas! Jesus!

Yeah, but any ILX poll will obviously reflect the taste of the people who post here, which is not universal. Why should we limit a tracks poll because of that?

feeling such love for Tuomas and his arguing ways right now

state your case big man, do the thing

jazz rock will maybe dominate, tuomas. All that miles & herbie and maybe spiritual hat jazz that will annoy deej

so yeah you might have a point..

i'm listening to 'karma' for the first time....

mind = blown

A common reaction

i just did all my laundry and hung it up then sat down with it playing with the sun streaming in through the windows and fuck me it feels truly spiritual

That is so wonderful.

Thread creator had a master plan

Because we're all younger than 70.

― Halal Spaceboy

xpost: i get this argument from people at work that know absolutely nothing about music from before they were born. it's as if they believe the world was waiting for them to be born before good music could be made. i don't get it and i guess they just don't care

Rock Hardy does not care about old jazz people.

I don't think William meant it like that, but it's pretty fair to say that most people don't know the pre 45 jazz as well as the post 45. And one of the reasons for that is because you don't really hear that stuff now unless you listen to radio for people over 70! Or you were one of those over 70s who were around when that music was the music everyone listened to.

The whole point of the proposed pre-45 tracks poll is because jazz was about tracks back then, and those of us who know little will check out youtubes and spotify's of nominated tracks ,the same way everyone did with the 50s poll, and learn about it and vote.
If you do an alltime poll then that probably wont happen so much and everyone will just vote for tracks off the albums that made this album poll.

That is why I think ez snappin's suggestion is better than the one Tuomas has asked for.

So does ez snappin do a pre-45 tracks poll or tuomas do an all-time tracks poll?

Because we're all younger than 70.

What does that have to do with anything? I could easily name 20 or 30 pre-1945 tracks I could vote for in an all-time tracks poll.

― Tuomas, Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:47 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Your experience and ability is not universal, Tuomas! Jesus!

― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:48 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i wish i knew ANYTHING about pre-45 but i'm not sure i could name 10 records let alone pick out some to vote for.

this weekend i bought:

shorter's schizophrenia (whoa)
green's street of dreams (bobby i could kiss you)

and it didn't place but i've been meaning to get it for a while, duke's the afro-euroasian ecplise which, if you are currently jamming to money jungle because of this thread, you'll also love.