JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

(sorry about shelly manne xpost)

'black saint' is still my pick for overrated mingus record. its good but def not my favorite

was there ever a kind of blue vs a love supreme poll on ilm?

lol deej i didn't say justify tho!

That one pic of Hoos didn't lend itself to shopping into the cover, and just changing the text to KIND OF HOOS didn't seem worth it. #riderdemandsnogreenm&ms

I don't have a good handle on jazz and I love Sun Ra more than anyone else in jazz

ah um > black saint

otm

i listen more to mingusx5 than either these days tho

has mingusx5 charted? dont remember seeing it.

really worried bout Real McCoy making it.

yes it did

yep it charted. it's gr8 too of course

8    Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1
http://dreamchimney.com/slvs/Sextant_20081207123524.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0J6PpQHDOcr54tXvh1MMCr

I love The Real McCoy, but is it really that much better that his other stuff as a leader?

^^^not horrible.

ok but then where is the rest of his stuff on this list?

I enjoy black saint when i'm listening to it but never find myself sitting around with it stuck in my head or having an urge to listen to it (or part of it) like i do w/other mingus.

Expansions, weren't it? xp

oh wait i forgot hornets, which is zzzzzzzzz.

know what, for the record i'm not even an official "record collector." i'm just a spiritual hat wearing nerd/plebe who likes stuff. next time someone asks what i like, i will just point angrily at the hat.

top 10 kinda surprising in order tbh!

billy hart on sextant is just insane

weirdo shit!
xp re: sextant

is that good or bad? People claiming stuff is 'too low' vs 'yawn boring canon picks fuck you ilm'?

my comments re: black saint also apply to Sextant. interesting listen, but rarely have an urge to hear it. it's like a movie with a plot twist, once I've heard it I don't really need to hear it again really even though I liked it a lot.

In every ilx thread ever:
A: You're a poser and your tastes clearly demonstrate that.
B: No, I'm not. Prove it. I like what I like because I like it and I like it a lot, I really, really like it.
A: I can't prove it, some people I once knew could have proved it but they washed away in the flood

Rinse and repeat.

"I enjoy black saint when i'm listening to it but never find myself sitting around with it stuck in my head or having an urge to listen to it (or part of it) like i do w/other mingus."

black saint gets stuck in my head like no other jazz.

listening to black saint now, it's awesome, need to spend more time with it again

i prefer the earlier mwandishi recs to sextant. very fun listen, though. herbie has to be one of the most consistently great artists of the last 50 years. even with some of the questionable things he's done in the last two decades or so.

would also like to point out that the entire mosaic ahmad jamal argo trio sessions (nine discs) box is on spotify! LISTENNNN.

is there a free option for Spotify in US yet?

7    John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1 
http://blog-imgs-21.fc2.com/d/o/c/dochizame/sAscension.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6PTuYbT38J0UvZINkJu8W8

is there a free option for Spotify in US yet?

yeah, just in the last month or so. i'm in the US.

oh this beat one of his lesser records, all's well

sweet.
flamenco guitar in black saint! why don't i remember this

next time someone asks what i like, i will just point angrily at the hat.

<3

I've been thinking more about Hurting saying he doesn't know anyone who is seriously into jazz who rates Ra over other stuff. And the conclusion I have come to is that if true, it actually isn't that surprising. It's nothing to do with Ra not being as good as other jazz folk. It's more to do with 'someone who is seriously into jazz' probably approaching it from a more canonical viewpoint, liking the traditions and tropes at the heart of it, and rejecting other genres for not living up to those things that make jazz *special*. And people who come in to jazz through Ra being more interested in the stuff that plays with those traditions and tropes, and so perhaps not becoming so devoted to a single genre as to live up to the title 'person who is seriously into jazz'. Neither of these things means that Ra is less good, less worthy, or even less jazz than anyone else. Nor does it mean that the second person is "not hep to the real jazz" or whatever Hurting or deej are trying to imply.

flamenco guitar in black saint! why don't i remember this

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

Ascension really is one of the great pieces of culture, like the Normans had tapestrys and we had Ascension

emil.y otm

seconded

On favorite Mingus albums, it is so hard to choose as every one seems to have several or more incredible best of all time tracks Ah Um for "Goodbye Porkpye hat" The Clown for "Hatian Fight song" and Reincarnation of a Love Bird" Oh Yeah for Atomic Bomb etc etc. also I love and reccomend two albums that weren't nommed "East Coasting" and "Mingus at the Bohemia" (w Max Roach).

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

!!

this is the second piece of unexpected rock trivia to appear on this thread (the other one being Lloyd's connection to the Beach Boys/Mike Love)

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 2, 2011

wow @ this!

he played w/fletcher henderson and jelly roll morton iirc

yeah MIngus at the Bohemia has some great stuff. there's another Mingus/Roach record too that's great, with them doing gershwin's "foggy day" that I love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpZcEydEt7Q
but i agree, i find it hard to choose a single mingus record -- the 50s ones at least blend into one big delicious mingus omelette.

also connie kaye (MJQ) plays on astral weeks.

Speaking of Foggy Day - I adore those early Sun Ra singles that are all gorgeous vocal harmonies (The Nu-Sounds, etc).

he played w/fletcher henderson and jelly roll morton iirc

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, September 2, 2011

whut

'tonight at noon' by mingus is one of my favs

xp Wow, don't know that one, and i absolutely love Mingus at the Bohemia. Tonight at noon is great, I think for some reason it has been split in half and tacked onto the end of The Clown and Oh Yeah on the reissues of those i have (also on Spottify)

I've been thinking more about Hurting saying he doesn't know anyone who is seriously into jazz who rates Ra over other stuff. And the conclusion I have come to is that if true, it actually isn't that surprising. It's nothing to do with Ra not being as good as other jazz folk. It's more to do with 'someone who is seriously into jazz' probably approaching it from a more canonical viewpoint, liking the traditions and tropes at the heart of it, and rejecting other genres for not living up to those things that make jazz *special*. And people who come in to jazz through Ra being more interested in the stuff that plays with those traditions and tropes, and so perhaps not becoming so devoted to a single genre as to live up to the title 'person who is seriously into jazz'. Neither of these things means that Ra is less good, less worthy, or even less jazz than anyone else. Nor does it mean that the second person is "not hep to the real jazz" or whatever Hurting or deej are trying to imply.

― emil.y, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:03 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, it kind of does mean you're not hep to real jazz actually? even how you just articulated it