this next one is a beauty of an album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles
surely it's On the Corner now...?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
on the corner was the pop miles album right? i know that was like the lester bangs one
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_r9BHjNdFgbI/TR9Z8ub1pPI/AAAAAAAAKi4/nekjMHl5EJ4/s1600/Lee%2BMorgan%2B1964%2BSearch%2BFor%2BThe%2BNew%2BLand.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6NmykD5FJftiDWqjWlwKfr
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
yes yes get the 'too low' shouts in. It's going to happen with (almost) every album from now on isn't it?
xp pop miles album? not quite. i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder how many lee morgan albums will make it? im assuming 'sidewinder,' what about 'cornbread'?
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
I can see Lester digging OTC, but that's news to me. It may have been Miles' "attempt" at a funk pop record but it fails so hard on that criteria - it's way too harsh
xp
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
A Love Supreme:Coltrane's prior work is not really a good analogy to Bitches Brew:Miles's prior work imo. I mean really A Love Supreme sounds like much less of a departure from the work of his past few years. I mean what's the big deal, he sings on one track? A couple of the movements would be at home on pretty much any Coltrane Impulse record. He had already done arguably 'gimmicky' stuff like My Favorite Things and Inch Worm, not to mention Ballads or the Duke Ellington record, and A Love Supreme gives you a lot to dig into compared to some of his material from the period.
I don't know if it's the BEST Coltrane record, but it's really pretty and really heavy too, so I don't particularly mind it being the favorite.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:37 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i dont mean pop in a dissing it sense, just as a crossover
i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.
yeah he may have been closer to the pulse of the (well, mostly white) youth with Bitches Brew but by the time of On the Corner dude was obviously *really* disconnected from the pop market. also: cocaine.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, Bitches Brew crossed over a lot more than OTC. I don't think that album was a hit. bangs wrote about on the corner -- i'm not sure whether he * liked * it per se.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:35 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
This on the other hand does actually kind of annoy me, just because On The Corner is sort of an outlier album even among the electric stuff. It's a great record but it feels really vastly apart from the rest of his electric period. Like if it's your favorite electric miles record fine but to my mind that just means you don't really like electric miles.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
oh i didnt mean to compare the miles & trane pop vs spiritual hat vs. 'real jazz' or w/e they both have totally diff & complicated relationships w/ audiences & discourses etc -- was just wondering where 'a love supreme' stood in your personal canon xps to hurting
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
Like if it's your favorite electric miles record fine but to my mind that just means you don't really like electric miles.
oh come on. it stands out but it's of a piece with stuff that came after, some of which included pieces cut from the OTC sessions.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
In re popularity, I think that's also just the result of timing and a marketing coup -- around when Bitches Brew came out, Miles and/or his management had the great idea of having him play all these big hippie venues like the Fillmore and various festivals and such, and the music was just connected enough to what the kids were listening to at that moment, and the zeitgeist was very "let's EXPAND OUR MINDS" so I think there was a window where people were open to it. OTC probably just wasn't timed/destined to meet that same kind of openness.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
what do you think sets it apart so much from Agharta... or Get Up With It? I guess a bunch of the "songs" are shorter, but then they're all mixed together.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
i know that at the time, on the corner wasnt considered a huge success, i mean 'pop miles' in a more contemporary sense fwiw -- its definitely an 'intro to miles' record for a lot of people in the past few years (which surprised me bcuz its so different from the miles eras i was introduced to)
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
The other electric records retain much more of a sense of a bunch of musicians improvising together -- OTC sounds more composed (or at least more heavily edited) and is more repetitive imo. It's mostly beats and themes with variations. They're all groove-oriented, but OTC is much moreso.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1 http://i40.tinypic.com/a2svpx.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/71ITD2qnGTd6JJZQvGMJRH
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
huh, i would not pick OTC as an intro to miles tbh. it's a pretty challenging record. electric miles is best approached via in a silent way i think. might even just be best to go chronologically from there.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:47 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what if youre into, like, the boredoms or can or faust or something? idk thats the context i see it in typically
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I'd say Silent Way too, but it depends which direction you come from.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
ive never heard that shepp record
it's a great record, I voted for it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
I find Bitches Brew pretty accessible (it was my way into electric Miles), but yeah I still find OTC not so easy-listening.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
i've introduced quite a few people to miles through jack johnson. "rock" people that is...
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
Would probably rate a few of the others over it though.xps
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
In A Silent Way is definitely the best intro to electric Miles for non-jazz types. Eno loves it!
― Number None, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
It's a good one. I think Shepp is one of those musicians who made about 50 mediocre records and four or five brilliant ones, and this is definitely one of the brilliant ones. xp
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
what if youre into, like, the boredoms or can or faust or something? idk thats the context i see it in typicallyyeah i suppose that makes sense.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1http://images.hhv.de/catalog/detail_big/00022/22927.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1uPpf0LfR227I6vruxYkxZ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
i remember moving in reverse like -- i was into miles, and that miles album wasnt one i loved but got into that kind of kraut stuff in reverse (after seeing it compared to later miles) & finding it a bit 'simple' (lol jazzism) for me at the time ... like, i think i didnt get the appeal of the motorik style or w/e until later, i was used to the appeal of jazz soloists operating w/in the context of the groove rather than the groove existing for itself
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
dont know that herbie album at all either
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://image.lyricspond.com/image/h/artist-herbie-hancock/album-mwandishi-the-complete-warner-bros-recordings/cd-cover.jpgre: herbie, this is very much worth your $10
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
doing weather report covers in jazz band initially scared me away from fusion ... i thought stuff like 'birdland' was sooo corny
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
which explains why i missed a lot of later herbie
yeah WTF with this Herbie record?!
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
little surprised to see it so high, but it is great. again, get that 2 CD warner recordings thing! it is the best.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
It's the same group that did Sextant, right?
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
just odd that I know the albums before and after this one, but never came across it. cover is very odd, kinda ugly...?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
yeah more or less same band as sextant.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
mwandishi band is all time
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
yescan i justhttp://neverenoughrhodes.blogspot.com/2008/05/never-enough-live-herbie-hancock.html
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
oh didnt realize this was that early. yah i like this era
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
This album does tend to get overlooked yet is very highly regarded, but most people (rock crits/record collectors) go for sextant but dont delve into anything else from this period. Apart from the obvious big album that i wont mention incase it does/doesn't make it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
gonna assume both headhunters and sextant will show up here
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
i probably voted for/own the entire top 30(or beyond) but i cba checking and instead i'll post the next one
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
one of my fave ever herbie anecdotes is from an old wire article on the mwandishi years where patrick gleeson was talking about trying to mix synths/keyboards into the band's sound for the first time and how he kept getting the mean mug from buster williams all night until someone finally took him aside and said "no one plays LOWER than buster in this band."
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
artwork looks like it should be on the side of sun ra's chevy van
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link