Did you really feel "welcomed" to the jungle by axl rose, or do you think that was sort of just insincere, halfhearted graciousness?

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Is everyone realizing how brilliant Neil Willet's post is??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 July 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

that's why it's always best to wall them in with stacked beer bottles, or, if you local climate allows, snow. somebody on my floor found a coupla janitor-sized 5 gallon buckets, and went to town with 'em.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

While I never felt the invitation was totally sincere, once I felt the November rain I was kind of glad I didn't go.

― nickn (nickn), Monday, 28 July 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

yes i noticed, neils post wins i think

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean, he invited all of you guys too? I thought he was sincere - now I find that it was just some open invitation to any old moron who happened to be listening. (No offense...)

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 28 July 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

To those who were not invited. You didn't miss much.
The beer was almost flat, the hor d'ourves were crap, and they had this really awful G'N'R cover band as the entertainment.
And we had to pay a cover fee just to afford that wretched band.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

careful -- that g n' f'n r cover band has been known to start riots. You should feel fortunate that they even decided to show up.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I still wanted to set the lead singers dreads on fire.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

now, now--working dreadlocks into your extensions and hair-replacement treatment is not the cheapest thing in the world, you know. why, the guy probably had to work overtime at his dayjob at the golf course just to pay for the coloring.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

It's called a "Wig" and costs $6.95+tax

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(all this looks more and evermore like mere "human menagerie", not "jungle")

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

well, had he known that, Custos, he wouldn't have spent the money, now, would he?

yes, he probably would have.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean you didn't wanna feel axl's serpentine?

Was it a rhetorical question? How does one feel an adjective?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

When he says "We got everything you want", what I want to know is just HOW he knows what I want? I mean that's remarkably prescient don't you think. I mean just how exactly did Axl work out what I want when I head out into his metaphorical ‘Jungle’ of urbanity.

― Alex K (Alex K), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you feel welcomed in a jungle where you're later warned that YER GONNA DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE?

― Adam (Throwing Things), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I mean, we're all going to die. It's just a polite reminder of our mortality.

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I like to read McSweeneys.net, too.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you feel welcomed in a jungle where you're later warned that YER GONNA DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE?
Like going into the haunted house. You know in advance that you're not reeaallly going to die. Its all in fun.
Underneath all that fake angst, Axl is a vaudeville comedian.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but I kind of do wanna know if Chachi loved Joanie back.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I like to read McSweeneys.net, too.

I didn't think it was very Jon Williamsesque, but hey, never mind - he took the baby and ran with it.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

On 2nd thoughts maybe the welcome isn’t addressed to us at all, but rather to future bandmates. “The jungle” = Guns n Roses itself, and the song = Axl’s 1st draft of the G’n’R induction programme for new members of staff.

Perhaps restructuring initiatives were already being envisioned by Axl, who also foresaw that workplace familiarisation procedures, not to mention a robust and transparent professional development structure, would be required for motherfuckers newly recruited to the ring. Details of the pros ("fun and games") are qualified by an honest assessment of the cons ("it gets worse here every day").

Presumably by now the induction programme has been expanded to include line management flowcharts (probably quite straightforward ones) and bullet-pointed aims and objectives designed to facilitate appraisal at the six-month and two-year marks, not to mention the criteria according to which one’s ass might become fired.

― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but I kind of do wanna know if Chachi loved Joanie back.
Like a ferret in heat.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It's pretty remarkable that "Welcome to the Jungle" was, in fact, a hit, given that it's simply a string of rather hackneyed clichés about the perils of the seedy urban existence. I credit Slash's staccato guitar mischief over Axl's sha-na-na-na-na-kneeeeeeing as the real star of the proceedings.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

You're worried about the lyrics and not that amazing groove? That was a better full throttle funk song than the Red Hot Chili Peppers ever managed to try, for a start.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't say "worry" would be the appropriate verb here, Ned.

That was a better full throttle funk song than the Red Hot Chili Peppers ever managed to try, for a start.

Ummm. Wrong. Please do not read this as a zealous endorsement of the Red Hots, but prior to their tireless days of heroin-addled introspection, the RHCP had quite the knack for the "full throttled funk." I'd cite "Good Time Boys", "Mommy Where's Daddy," "Special Secret Song Inside" and "Subway To Venus" have megatons more groove than the hirsute brothers of firearms and flowers.

It is also with great, rueful agita that I report that the Joke are slated to OPEN for the Red Hot Chili Peppers sometime in August in Europe. O the humanity.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd cite "Good Time Boys", "Mommy Where's Daddy," "Special Secret Song Inside" and
"Subway To Venus" have megatons more groove than the hirsute brothers of firearms and flowers.

Chuck Eddy to thread! Steven Adler, secret weapon.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.stevenadleronline.com/gallery/IMAG0008.JPG

Oh that's right. He's a secret weapon.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

re: mcsweeny's

i ripped this off from someone else ripping it off

I thought it was a good ILX type question.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Like that photo is any more ridiculous than some I could mention featuring guys named Geordie... ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

"My good man, is it really necessary to drag me into this?"

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/geordie/geordie50.JPG

― That's G.K. Walker to you! (vassifer), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"F I T E !"

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030725/capt.1059132117.japan_politics_xits104.jpg

― Japanese Parliament Roxx -- U R ALL GAY! (vassifer), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

THAT'S MY GIRL UP THERE IN THE PINK SUIT YO.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

You have no idea how much that woman in the pink suit looks my mom, about ten years ago.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

What's all this nonsense about metaphor? The song's about Axl's year out working as a tour guide in Kenya so the question may be a little forced but it's undoubtedly sincere.

― Mike (mratford), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

He was no safari guide. Though he did wear cheetah patterned speedoes when him and Perry Farrell worked as male Prostitutes.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

If you want it you're gonna bleed
But it's the price you pay...

Those prickly pears sure are tasty!

You can taste the bright lights
But you won't get them for free

Torches can be rented from Cheetah's Gift Shop if you're going out at night.

I'm sorry.

― Mike (mratford), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

only poor boys took a chance on that garden song and dance. yes, axl certainly was a poor boy who dealt with the 'underbelly of society enticing disadvantaged youths to west hollywood' as a lyrical theme. he also contradicted himself on the appeal of this lifestyle, "feeling the storm was getting closer". maybe his point was to becareful what you wish for, for you may end up with cornrows and bottox injections and sharing the stage with a kfc buckett.

― drew, Monday, 28 July 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

and a pot belly. Have you seen the spare tire on Axl? Goddamn! At least he'll never drown with tha built in THAT life preserver.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

let's try that again.
and a pot belly. Have you seen the spare tire on Axl? Goddamn! At least he'll never drown with THAT built in life preserver.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Now he's, like, a fat wuss ...

[sound of Butthead chortle]

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 28 July 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a far more pressing question on my mind: "What's so civil about war, anyway?" Chew on that!

― Ben Boyer, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought of "the jungle" as just being existence.

We're all born into Hell and Axl is doing us the favor of pointing this out and letting us know we're not alone.

― Jay, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

It was not dissimilar to the welcome that Chuck D gave to the terrordome.

Wouldn't this be a great idea for the future of the Millenium Dome?

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

But have you ever considered that Axl sublet the property from Chuck D? Thats right...the Jungle is IN the Terrordome.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

To think that 25 years ago little Tommy Stinson was beaten senselees by older brother Bob and forced to be in a punk band. Now he is sharing a stage with Buckethead and the worlds greatest Elvis impersonator, while Bob lies in a cold, lonely grave. Brotherly love indeed.

― Speedy Gonzalas, Thursday, 31 July 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

all of a sudden i believe in ilm again

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 31 July 2003 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2003/07/21eighties.html

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 31 July 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

My question is would a man known for his "appetite for destruction" as Axl actually be welcomed in a jungle himself ?

And if Axl wasnt even welcome in the jungle himself - what gives him the right to invite others ?

― Whatever, Friday, 1 August 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that McSweeney's thing supposed to, in some possible universe, be humorous?

― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 1 August 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Personally, I think both the jungle AND the Terrordome are just part of Alice Cooper's nightmare.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 2 August 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

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looooooooool awesome

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:07 (thirteen years ago)

Did you really feel axl rose wanted to be "given" some reggae, or do you think that was sort of just insincere, halfhearted request?

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:51 (thirteen years ago)

two minutes feels like a tease

― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:02 (thirteen years ago)

yeah it'd be nice if it was 10 minutes or an hour or something but it's probably for the best that i have to actually think about how long i want to get stuck in a GNR reggae timewarp every couple minutes

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:03 (thirteen years ago)

My wife heard me playing this last night and called out from the other room, "Is he yelling "Give me some Ray J?""

I have to admit that ruined it a little for me.

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:05 (thirteen years ago)

otoh GIMME SOME REGGAE!

― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:07 (thirteen years ago)

lol for the love of reggae

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:08 (thirteen years ago)

"Give Me Some Reggae (Dancehall Remix)" featuring Ray J and Enrique Iglesias

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:08 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwhYmdzGANo

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:53 (thirteen years ago)

roots n' culture imo ^

― Andrew WKRP (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:53 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRfB6qTsWI8

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:55 (thirteen years ago)

Wow, this is like a Sid-era Sex Pistols trainwreck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BFEz-7jd1Y

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:47 (thirteen years ago)

Slash is operating at like 10% capacity less than everyone else.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:49 (thirteen years ago)

And everyone else seems down by 30%.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:50 (thirteen years ago)

I was at their first show after that riot. </coolstorybro>

― pplains, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:50 (thirteen years ago)

"I was the one who started the riot" is like a small subset of this generation's "I was at Woodstock." I know no less than two people who profess to have been directly involved.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:59 (thirteen years ago)

the St. Louis riot got us the sick proshot bootlegs of the Chicago and Indiana shows via an overturned TV truck

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 20 December 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

damn, I didn't even know that DJ Ashba and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal left. what is happening to this band?

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/axl-rose-and-slash-are-friends-again/

― how's life, Saturday, 22 August 2015 20:02 (ten years ago)

posting this for people who don't care to read the other article.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/axl-rose-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/

― how's life, Saturday, 22 August 2015 20:07 (ten years ago)

Daren Ashba owns two corporations, Ashba Media, Inc. which handles the art side of things and Ashbaland, Inc. which handles the music side of things.

― brimstead, Sunday, 23 August 2015 00:01 (ten years ago)

i'm kind of jealous of DJ Ashba, tbh

― brimstead, Sunday, 23 August 2015 00:02 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

gimme some reggae

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:39 (ten years ago)

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