What Is The Worst Line Stephin Merritt Has Written?

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Sundar: >>> his romanticized ideals are a media construct at the same time that he mourns their betrayal.

In theory that's great; you put it well. I love roughly the same idea when he writes something like 'We used to hold hands in the movie show, but we'll never hold hands again'. I just think that in that particular line in 'BBD' it's superfluous and clunking, rather than eloquent and stimulating.

>>> "acoustic guitar" is fairly unbearable the whole way through.

I think that is way over the top. The playing, singing and melody are splendid, for three things.

>>> "she always said that you were the one who could make her move her cute little bum" is the low point of _69ls_.

Yes, possibly. It's too 'dirty' for me.

>>> don't believe in the sun" is a great song marred by the corny lyrics.

Sorry, I totally disagree. I think it's A Great Song.

>>> "i miss doing the wild thing with you" always seemed like a really feeble follow-up to the heartbreaking "come back from san francisco/ and kiss me -- i've quit smoking."

I agree. Well spotted.

>>> agree with the bit about the petunia.

Yes - maybe this point has something.

>>> i have trouble seeing how he could be a) not obscure, b) some sort of indie lemming cult, or c) comparable to a radio phenomenon like blur.

Me also. We agree. He is not any of those things. He is Relatively Obscure.

the pinefox, Saturday, 3 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

listening to _get lost_ yesterday, i remembered how clunkily "i know all the saddest people/ most of them are dead now" follows "i can show you sadder poetry/ than you ever dreamed there could be" in "save a secret for the moon."

sundar subramanian, Monday, 5 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

There have been plenty of interesting answers to this question (thank you), but not *that* many credible contenders for bad lines (especially given how many Merritt has written). I think this is probably telling.

I guess that one reason I asked the original question was to try to get at and explore the difference between Merritt and other 'great lyricists'. And I think it tells us something about his peculiar kind of quality that he's penned fewer clunkers than, say, Dylan or Morrissey. Maybe we could say that he's more precise and calculating than them; maybe that he's taken fewer risks; maybe that his way of occupying a genre actually makes it easier to pen appropriate (if not necessarily scintillating) lines. A pretty great lyricist as they go, I think - but in a way which, as with so much else about this character, is very peculiar.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 13 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

two years pass...
I think tha "Mata-Hari" line is great!

daavid (daavid), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link

old thread, whoa. i think Tim F is right about "how fucking romantic"

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:01 (twenty years ago) link

If I could be bothered to read all the posts in this thread, I'm sure I'd find that it's probably been mentioned already, but I hope that at some point Merritt can get over his own sense of cleverness and pop irony and just write some songs that might actually be remembered thirty years from now by people other than, well, us.

maypang (maypang), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

He doesn't have access to the markets that would allow him to be heard by people that aren't us. Tho it would be nice if Britney would hire him as a songwriter.

Sym (shmuel), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

Everyone saying that all the lines in "I Don't Believe In The Sun" are bad except for the last one are probably right except that the pay-off of the last line is so subtantial that it travels back in time and retroactively justifies everything that went before it.

I'm pretty sure there's a Buffy episode that performs the same trick but I can't remember which one it is right now.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:36 (twenty years ago) link

I don't mind that song's lyrics at all. It's probably one of the best songs he's ever written. See above comments for reference point.

maypang (maypang), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I totally agree - that's what I mean!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:47 (twenty years ago) link

Ppl on this thread appear to have overlooked that many of the lines Merritt writes are bloody funny (e.g. the little petunia one). And that much of the humour/pleasure in 'em lies in the audaciousness of the rhymes. Also that "Saussure" is probably self-directed, being about the same alleged human shortcomings of poststructuralism that MF's own irony/pastiche/pomo gets accused of.

plebian plebs (plebian), Friday, 27 February 2004 07:52 (twenty years ago) link

arr.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 27 February 2004 09:39 (twenty years ago) link

I LOVE Merritt and his lyrics -- esp. those on "Get Lost" and "Charm of the Highway Strip" (much prefer the earlier synthphonies than the uke/toy piano/guest cabaret stylings of the 69 Love Songs era).
That said, this is one of the worst lines in any song ever, I think:

From "Desert Island," off "Holiday":

"We'll develop muscles / from cracking coconuts / Let our clothing drop off / feel each other's butts"

Even as a goof it's horrendous.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

Jeez, I can't believe all the Merritt hate on this thread.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 27 February 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

We hate because we care.

maypang (maypang), Friday, 27 February 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"I could totally get over you, if I wanted to, but I'm not sure I do."

"don't want to cry a tear for you, not a single tear for you, so excuse me if I do."

"reach for my prescription from my pocket and instead I grab your locket."

"your biography is an irresistible cartography of the possible or... the impossible? I'm not sure."

"so I'll take to coloring books and suffer all your withering looks, thinking bout you all the while."

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
I was going to revive this to see if the last LP affected it: and look, wee Cozen already revived it, months ago.

the bellefox, Friday, 19 November 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And so did other people.

the bellefox, Friday, 19 November 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, I bought 69 as I liked the concept. And the execution was way better than I had any right to expect. But it also means that I have no need for more MagFi CDs. I did download 'take ecstacy' tho.

Surely there's a "Search/Destroy" thread just for the 69 set?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 November 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

THe line is Papa Was A Rodeo, where he says "Diesel gas". Diesel fuel is not gasoline, they are two different things.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

every damn line is awful, the man's a pompous, self important wanker

Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I think just for writing the song "Smoke and Mirrors" he is pretty much a hero. Anybody who is as prolific a writer as he is is going to have some lines sneak in that bug people or fall flat, but I think that's just a reflection of how good he is when he's really on.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

seventeen years pass...

An unexpected revival inspired by poster Imago:

This thread is literally almost 21 years old. I fear that much of it is callow. But I just found myself thinking "what's the worst Merritt song, that would be a good question" and then thinking "... I think we had a whole thread like this".

He may now have issued lines and songs worse than he had 17-18 years ago!

the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2022 21:42 (two years ago) link

This is a contender for a relatively bad song lyric, from c.2012:

I'm going back to the country
City life's too slow
I'm sick of that 120 BPM funk and disco
I'm doing a one-eighty
Break out the fiddle tunes
I'm still that barefoot lady howling up at full moons
And I'm gonna fly back to Wyoming
And never more my friends I'll go a-roaming
I'm gonna fly back to Laramie
Let Laramie take care of me till they bury me
I'm going back to the country
The big city's too small
I don't need more than one tree house but there's none at all
I'm hanging up the tire swing
A hammock in the yard
I'll hear an angel choir sing as I wing countryward
And I'm gonna find me a country boy
And have a couple country kids, Leanne and Leroy
And we're gonna wind down those country roads
And sing and play the dulcimer till this world explodes

the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2022 21:47 (two years ago) link

And I fear that I will also nominate this from 2020:

She's got the biggest tits in history
She loves to show them 'round
They're bigger than her chickadees
They each weigh half a pound
She told me she's got more of them
But I've seen only three
And those were, I'm quite sure, the biggest tits in history
Your average tit weighs half an ounce
That's if you feed them well
But she's got ways to make tits bouncy baby boys from hell
She majored in biology
She knows whereof she speaks
You know her tits are happy from their smiling little beaks
She's working for the government
She's breeding them for clones
To use them on the battlefield
For intercepting drones
Her mother did the same work
It's all through her family tree
And that's why Lola's got the biggest tits in history
Tits in history
Tits in history

the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2022 21:48 (two years ago) link

"You know her tits are happy from their smiling little beaks"

seems especially bad.

the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link

should be "by their smiling little beaks" surely

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 21 February 2022 23:31 (two years ago) link


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