richard youngs ,what's his best stuff?

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ok, i just heard 'the naive shaman' for the first time, and was totally blown away. what else do i need to get by him?

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i should hear this. honestly i had thought the law of diminishing returns was starting to apply to him, but i'll take this enthusiasm as a sign that i was wrong.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 11:24 (eighteen years ago) link

even though it's NOTHING like 'The Naive Shamam' (I don't think anything else in his discog is), I highly recommend the collab w/ Makato Kawabata. it's simple but very effective: keyboards, acoustic guitar, angelic vocals. gorgeous.

a, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I think the recently released collaboration with Tirath Singh Nirmala (HP Cycle) is fantastic. The second half of side 2, with the looped violin drone and analog synth washes, might be my favorite thing he's been involved in. Another favorite that I don't see mentioned is "Knish" with Simon Wickham-Smith--just baby grand piano and electric guitar, but it really hits me in the bliss-out/guitar fuzz zone in my brains. The piano is often very lethargic and pointilist, but always working towards a greater resolution. There are intense rhythmic parts where the piano builds to some fantastic guitar runs.

be home by 11 (orion), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I've lost touch with a lot of his recent work, which I regret.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

My roommate was getting promos of everything on jagjaguar and vhf for a while... sweet times.

be home by 11 (orion), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned, did you pick up the one with Galbraith & Neilson? I think it's pretty good, but was hoping for a more audible Galbraith presence. I liked the first side a lot better than the second, initially, but lately I've been warming up the noize-haze percussion jams.

be home by 11 (orion), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i need to hear that new jammy. he was soooooo awesome at atp.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll let you know when we get that back in stock, hp stencilcraft. or you can come over and listen to it and we can get stoned. either way.

be home by 11 (orion), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned, did you pick up the one with Galbraith & Neilson?

Ah no -- and since I love Galbraith, I must investigate, even if he's a limited presence.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

dude you came here to plug an album you don't even have in stock any more?!?!? ;_;

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"plug"
it'll be back in stock by the weekend dood.

be home by 11 (orion), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

put on hold for infinity. maybe i'll even be able to buy it this weekend.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

having money is hard just after the first!!!

be home by 11 (orion), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

saw him and alex neilson (and campbell kneale, also on gtr, for one number) play a fantastic noize duo blowout earlier this month - youngs was playing electric w/ an ebow, making a fantastically gritty sound

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

knish, I think was recorded live on WKCR, when they came to america and were staying with my friends Liz and Matt who did the world and "new" music shows at columbia. Matt released it on his Ignovimous label, which he used to share with Kyle from Lovid. I remember I was in NY that summer working a crappy 3-11 job at a print shop and listened to it live. I think that was the same time they played the second Table of the Elements festival which was at the knitting factory. The first one was the year before in Ga. I think? That was the first show Tony Conrad played in 20 years or so, behind a sheet w/ Jim O'Rourke. Like 30 people were there, it seemed, for Tony Conrad's first show in years, Simon and Richard and Zeena Parkins. Maybe somebody else? Maybe Gastr played?

Anyway, my favorite Richard Youngs has always been the first song on Festival. I fell out for a while but got back at some point and got really into Sapphie, one of the most gorgeous solo records I've ever heard, really really beautiful.

I was so into their stuff in college. My boss at the record store got the vinyl in, releases on Forced Exposure and stuff like Durian Durian. I'd just never heard anything like that before. Then we got in Kretinmuzak and I was so confused. What was this stuff? It sounded like 2 guys, a casio and a cardboard box making electronic choral music from Mars. I started collecting all that stuff, and remember having really high hopes for the Richard Youngs/Matthew Bower record on VHF but not liking it as much as I hoped, and I think it made my entire record collection smell funny(er) because of the inks or paints on it.

And echoing above, I dont' know if everybody hates Pulse of the Rooster, but I think it's awesome, more accessible, electronic art rock, definitely Simon and Richard at their most Joy Division! If you don't know what I mean, check out By the Sea...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

what did he play at atp? anyone see? hstencil?

nik bozic (nikjasdf), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

his set at ATP was half shakuhachi improvisations, half a cappella folksy mantras. I remember that he did 'summer's end' and 'life on a beam', but I'm not sure what else. he was magnificent though. one of the festival highlights for me. however, he totally divided the crowd. quite a few people were taking the piss, while others sat enraptured.

saw him and alex neilson (and campbell kneale, also on gtr, for one number) play a fantastic noize duo blowout earlier this month

aye, this was good, especially the two really sludgy pieces in the middle. although it dragged a bit towards the end.

m the g (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i thot it was more 1/4 shakuhachi, 3/4 voice, but i might've missed part of it. either way, it was totally fucking awesome. his voice is incredible.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

well, he alternated the voice and shakuhachi pieces, but the vocal ones were much longer.

it was good indeed. I went for a slash after his set and every bloke at the urinal was singing 'summer's end'. how touching.

m the g (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

My fave record of his is probably "River Through Howling Sky", as far as how cohesive it is, the spookiness of it in general through the wind chimes/fuzz-wah setup used pretty much all the way through, and how the black and blurred packaging "looks" like the music in a great way..."The Naive Shaman"'s definitely amazing too, though--him and Ben Vida/Bird Show are my two favourite loose-structured heavy digital solo-home-recording singers (if that's an appropriate way to sum things up) these days--I love how playful but intense their songs are...

As far as one single, simple song of his goes, though, you can't go wrong with "The World Is Silence In Your Head" from "Making Paper", a great Feldman-y piano ditty along the lines of Grubbs/Gastr.

Craig Dunsmuir (Craig D.), Thursday, 1 February 2007 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I just bought 'making paper' this week. it's not as immediate as the other records I've heard, but still rather fantastic. I love the way he can create really profound psychic unease with just a piano and his voice, yet at the same time it's beautiful and soporific.

youngs is a totally unique artist. I've been familiar with him for a year or so, and I'm no closer to truly understanding what he's doing. there are so many facets to his music, but they're all reflecting the same image...if that makes sense. it's very early. pre-coffee early.

m the g (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 1 February 2007 09:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Tell me more aboyut Ben Vida/Bird Show! Where do I start?

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Bird Show only has two albums so far, both on Kranky (Green Inferno & Lightning Ghost); Ben Vida's main band over the years seems to have been Town and Country, though--their last record, Up Above, has more of a droney, percussive feel than they ever have before, and is a good companion album to Lightning Ghost. Also, although they don't have anything recorded yet, Vida and a few other T&Cers (along with Robert Lowe of 90 Day Men and solo project Lichens, etc.) are in a newish group called Dreamweapon that, as the name suggests, focuses on long trancey drone improv. There's also a neat video interview with Vida along with tourmates Greg Davis and Keith Fullerton Whitman on Brainwashed's The Eye that's worth checking out as an intro...

Craig Dunsmuir (Craig D.), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

sapphie is just guitar and voice, VERY LONG SONGS. about a DEAD DOG. so bear that in mind.

Honestly, I think this might be a better subject for a record than most!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Richard Youngs & Tirath Singh Nirmala

Craig Dunsmuir (Craig D.), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Honestly, I think this might be a better subject for a record than most!

It's very much the selling point for the album, in fact.

be home by 11 (orion), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

very beautiful, sad and heartfelt songs about a dead dog.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe i will listen to that next.

be home by 11 (orion), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

like half a decade late i get airs of the ear. really beautiful. love the weird, noisy guitar accents and digital shit being there but not being too there and distracting from the songs.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

So has anyone heard Electric Lotus? I'm thinking of picking up either this or Canticle by Ilk.

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link

I like Electic Lotus. It's pretty different than the Ilk stuff, though. More in line with the Beating Stars or Mauve Dawn albums. Free-ish drumming with electronic droning buzz, for the most part.

ian, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I finally caved in and typed up the 'Gregorian Chart' that Richard did for the Wire magazine a couple of years back, since I could never find it online.

Richard Youngs' Gregorian Chart

krakow, Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Just bought "Multi-tracked Shakuuhachi" (CD-R on No Fans) the other day and it is glorious. A thing of droney beauty. I've previously avoided (the) CD-Rs, but have pretty much given up that conceit now. So where to next? Anyone else heard this one?

krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link

rReEaAlLlLyY lLiIkKeE tThHeE aAuUtTuUmMnN rReEsSpPoOnNsSeE aAlLbBuUmM...

henry s, Thursday, 26 March 2009 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link

krakow: the "Mariendork" that you suspect to be a typo could very well actually be "Mariendorf". It's a common enough place name in Germany, literally "village of mary". There's a part of Berlin called Mariendorf (for example -- there's no abbey there)

Duke, Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

and and the autumn the autumn response response album is album good is good

Duke, Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

@ henry s and Duke #2 - haha, very nice

@ Duke #1 - I agree. When I searched for Mariendork Abbey and turned up absolute zero, my initial thought was that it should probably be Mariendorf. Unfortunately even that doesn't seem to turn up any info on the listed recordings.

krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

i've only heard "Advent". Like the minimalism.

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

and the lugubriousness.

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Now that's a nice word.

krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Krakow: I found it. It's Maria-Laach Abbey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Laach_Abbey

Lovely part of the world

Duke, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I should have added: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Organs-Bells-Maria-Laach-Abbey-Roloff/dp/B000JJ3WES

Duke, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow, thanks Duke. Well done. That's quite some typo. I'll update my wee write up.

krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I also received this advice to my question of where to next from elsewhere:

""Airs Of The Ear" is like a more psychedelic and slightly heavier companion to "Autumn Response" and is completely brilliant. "Summer Wanderer" is a masterpiece - 3 solo voice tracks, proper singing (sound poetry? nein danke!), utterly enthralling. They should both be available without any stress."

"Oh, and no-one who loves Sapphie shoulde be without "May" but start at track 2 the first time you listen to it."

krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I suppose if you pronounce Laach with a Scottish or English accent, it can quickly sound like "lark". But still quite a leap to "dork", mind...

I can wholly recommend River Through Howling Sky.

Duke, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Airs of the Ear is the masterpiece imo.

Lotus Edition is five tracks of free shakuhachi + Alex Neilson on drums so you might like that

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Summer Wanderer is absolutely gorgeous, I agree. I wouldn't have liked it so much a few years back, but it's a nice addition to a night of Anne Briggs, John Jacob Niles, Shirley Collins et al.

The other one I've been listening to a bit is Beating Stars, with Alex Neilson. The opening track is a perennial favorite; it could be ten minutes longer and it would still be too short.

ian, Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:00 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

However hyperbolic Volcanic Tongue may be at times, they're right on this one...

"Beyond The Valley Of The Ultrahits" is truly special (yes, really, that is the title).

Richard Youngs' new CD-R on Andrew Paine's Sonic Oyster label. It's 'pop' in as much as anything by Youngs can be. It's beautiful, wonderful, all that... highest possible recommendation, indeed.

krakow, Monday, 8 June 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a nice addition to a night of Anne Briggs, John Jacob Niles, Shirley Collins et al.

sounds like a pretty good night...

henry s, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link

i had to clarify some richard youngs lyrics once -- i went to the man himself on twitter but idk if he's on there anymore. it was "oh reality" from beyond the valley of ultrahits.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 21:37 (one week ago) link

can't help you with the lyrics, but i love this man nd his muic.

ian, Friday, 17 May 2024 20:13 (one week ago) link

I could never really find my entry point into this guy’s solo work but I absolutely love the duo record he did with the guy from Acid Mothers Temple

Slim is an Alien, Friday, 17 May 2024 20:18 (one week ago) link

Beyond The Valley Of The Ultrahits is so good, other than that I would actually start with the early stuff, the collabs with Wickham-Smith

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 17 May 2024 20:21 (one week ago) link

His first, Advent is still my favourite. One of my favourite records of all time.

Sapphie is lovely, also Autumn Response.

kraudive, Friday, 17 May 2024 20:29 (one week ago) link

I picked up “All hands around the moment” recently, ray the recommendation of a guy sleeve and I play d&d with and it’s GORGEOUS. That said I find the earlier stuff typically less interesting than when he started experimenting with song BUT I’ve hardly heard all of it. Prolific being the understatement.

ian, Friday, 17 May 2024 23:13 (one week ago) link

I like beating stars w/ Alex Nelson a lot too

ian, Friday, 17 May 2024 23:32 (one week ago) link

Neilson*

ian, Friday, 17 May 2024 23:33 (one week ago) link

I stopped being able to keep up and only have dipped in and out of the catalog. Nothing but admiration for the breadth and depth of his talent and experimentation. Didn't he do like 6 volumes of records where he played the guitar with his feet?

Got into him while I was in college and was really into the Skullflower/VHF records axis of noisy stuff and wait a minute, I think I posted my thoughts already upthread...17 years ago! Jesus. I stand by this statement "Then we got in Kretinmuzak and I was so confused. What was this stuff? It sounded like 2 guys, a casio and a cardboard box making electronic choral music from Mars."

Looking at my digital catalog, I have 21 Richard Youngs albums,1 with Matthew Bower, 1 with Raul Refree, 1 with Stephen Todd, 1 with Tirath Singh Nirmala, and 11 with Simon Wickham-Smith!

dan selzer, Saturday, 18 May 2024 00:47 (six days ago) link

it's a 3 way collab but belsayer time is the one i always go back to

no lime tangier, Saturday, 18 May 2024 06:30 (six days ago) link

Sapphie and All Hands… are the albums I keep coming back to - I’ve dabbled around the catalogue (never heard Ultrahits though) but it gets hard to keep track

that's that me: a Viking (seandalai), Saturday, 18 May 2024 19:04 (six days ago) link

Hey z_tbd, i had a relisten to that song and this is what i got...

former is now [?]
never is unconditional [?]

for my love, yes my love
my love is unconditional

I would [?]
[?] out of time and space

where would this world be
somewhere out of time and space

[?] they are falling down

hearing that as "poor slaves they are fallen down"?

look my love at the stars [?]
[?] stars are such freedom

I hear stones instead of stars

[?]
when i stay inside
at the world get out of here

let us close [?] door
let us stay inside
let the world get out of here

Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Saturday, 18 May 2024 22:37 (six days ago) link

also if you ever get the chance to see him perform, do not miss it! :)

Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Saturday, 18 May 2024 22:38 (six days ago) link

I often/almost always have to catch my bearings/recalibrate whenever I decide to get back into Richard Youngs, and I almost always do so via relistening to River Through Howling Sky (with Naive Shaman a close second)

Shout-out to Foot Guitar and Simon Wickham-Smith and all the almost-endless permutations/variations, but despite all the amputations, IMHO you can put on River Through Howling Sky and as Lou somehow predicted, it is almost certainly almost always almost alright

Funding Hostile (Craig D.), Sunday, 19 May 2024 00:30 (five days ago) link

(P.S. Holy crap that album came out over 20 years ago now)

Funding Hostile (Craig D.), Sunday, 19 May 2024 00:32 (five days ago) link

really nice to hear all of the different takes here, lots of stuff I need to check out

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 19 May 2024 00:34 (five days ago) link

bower / youngs relayer is fantastic, bower dipping into his sunroof “pretty” side matches richard really well

agree, beslayer time is also fantastic. galbraith meets young is a true meeting of 90s / 00s underground idiosyncrasy

sknybrg, Sunday, 19 May 2024 01:03 (five days ago) link

I didn't get this the first time I heard it, when I was in college, and now it gives me big feelings. I love "May," great record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSKnt2FDGA

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 19 May 2024 01:50 (five days ago) link

?!?! dang I am a total Galbraith fiend and never knew abt this one! xp

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 19 May 2024 01:51 (five days ago) link

Like others, tho, I need to get into his catalog more. I do love most everything I have heard.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 19 May 2024 01:51 (five days ago) link

agree, beslayer time is also fantastic. galbraith meets young is a true meeting of 90s / 00s underground idiosyncrasy

decade and a half ago i saw galbraith open for youngs with the changeover being the both of them singing the title track together, magic!

no lime tangier, Sunday, 19 May 2024 04:42 (five days ago) link

xposts didn't see all these posts and forgot to bookmark it! thanks nickb, i updated the lyrics with your suggestions, appreciate it!

z_tbd, Sunday, 19 May 2024 15:30 (five days ago) link


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