CHRIS BROWN

ftr I didn't realize that there was an actual video that went with that; my reaction is solely based off of the GIF

and tbh I did laugh when reading the GIF, in the sense of "HAHAHA YES SOMEONE IS CALLING CHRIS BROWN ON HIS SHIT IN ABOUT AS CRUEL A MANNER AS CAN BE DONE"

xpost I don't see how you can say no one was angry about the joke—otherwise where did the whole 'apology' conceit come from?

as far as I can tell, here's the timeline:

- Chris Brown tweets some dumb shit about planking
- comedian Andy Levy sees the opportunity for a good zinger and takes it
- TEAM BREEZY rallies to the defense of their imperiled hero; Brown, in a hilarious example of "the only insults I know are the ones people have used against me", calls Levy childish
- **HIGHLY SPECULATIVE** some Fox higher-up takes offense and asks Levy to apologize/retract his tweet? **HIGHLY SPECULATIVE**
- Levy doubles down w/ this (admittedly, pretty good) rant about the boneheaded obliviousness of Brown (duh) and his contingent of hardcore fans (double-duh)

but since we all agree that Chris Brown is awful, really the only thing that interests me about the whole affair is seeing whether or not people feel that being a Chris Brown fan/apologist automatically makes one awful as well

his music is not good enough to make me overlook how terrible a person he is and I think less of everyone currently working with him

the moment djp lost his respect for biebs

bernard the ppl asking for him to apologize werent offended by it being 'tasteless' they think that chris brown should be forgiven

i dont think the #teambreezy twitterers were like, "i cant believe hes making light of abuse!"

lol schlump

xposts yeah that's fair—it's like, as much as I enjoy Busta Rhymes's verse on "Look At Me Now" + the comeback it has ignited for him, I can't help wishing he and every other competent rapper contacted by the Breezy camp had gone "no, fuck you, I refuse to get on this track"

D-40 otm

bernard the ppl asking for him to apologize werent offended by it being 'tasteless' they think that chris brown should be forgiven

― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Monday, August 22, 2011 5:17 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

It's p obvious even from the original tweet that he wasn't condoning domestic abuse.

Fox News, like most major news outlets, is chock full of horrible douchebags; this does not automatically mean that every last thing anyone who ever appears on one of their shows has to say is nefariously wrong.

Team Breezy is easily the most ignorant and self-deluded pack of cretins on twitter.

a bold assertion Nicole, it's a crowded field

Fox News, like most major news outlets, is chock full of horrible douchebags; this does not automatically mean that every last thing anyone who ever appears on one of their shows has to say is nefariously wrong.

that they have a rolling news ticker, however, means they have an outlet to make sure that every frame of their output is somehow objectionable, even if there's something placid going on mid-screen

not gonna argue against that

It's p obvious even from the original tweet that he wasn't condoning domestic abuse.

― Meat Loaf...in my vagina? (The Reverend), Monday, August 22, 2011 5:46 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I agree with bernard here, I mean obviously everyone hates Chris Brown - I get it - but Fox news dude was still a giant asshole and the video wasn't very funny

I'm Team Aero on this one. No matter how douchey the messenger, anyone that publicly calls out Chris Brown for being the awful human being that he is is straight up hilarious to me.

really jon? like if some guy doing an interview with Chris Brown decided to go "hey Breezy, I gotta ask you something... I've been having some problems with my girl lately, and I was wondering how much it would cost to have you rough her up a bit for me"—obviously Chris Brown would get really angry/offended and probably storm out of the interview, and a lot of people would lol about it on the internet later; but would we really think that the guy asking the question was some kind of brave crusader riding for justice?

the video was awful, the tweet was LMAO

Oh come on bernard, have fun building yr strawman there. That is obviously not at all what I'm saying.

Someone using a public soapbox to remind the world that Chris Brown is an asshole /= to an imagined face-to-face confrontation urging him to violence.

xpost well then I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're saying!

oh I should specify that I was imagining a live on-air radio interview, I guess that makes a difference

and can we please keep in mind that the dude we are talking about is a COMEDIAN who made a joke about Chris Brown (a couple tweets after "you mean punching?" he responds to Anthony[of Opie & Anthony fame]'s joking accusation that he ripped off another Twitter user's joke with "mine was better")

I'm not sure why what I said is difficult to parse, I think its funny (and, you know, kind of necessary considering how little of a hit his career seems to have taken) when someone uses their public outlet to remind the world that he is, in fact, an unrepentant asshole. Thats a whole different situation than sitting down, in person, with Chris Brown and using inflammatory language in the hopes of provoking him.

the only thing I was trying to convey with my example was that I do not see anything inherently virtuous about using "an unrepentant asshole" to get lols.

I am all for speaking truth to power, but someone needs to go after a slightly-less-easy target than Chris Brown before I will applaud their moral courage.

that vid creeped me out so much -- i know his target isn't victims of DV, but he's clearly using the topic as opportunistically as he can, hoisting himself up on a pedestal of immediate respect and agreement by tackling chris brown the easiest target alive. he gains his upper hand by eliciting chuckles about DV, and it's all about him and his rightness and chris brown's wrongness and none of it is about rihanna. like, i have serious trouble believing that he went on air with his rant and actually thought to himself "rihanna would totally dig this!" maybe he's delusional enough to think that she would see him as her white knight and that she would happily thank him for his bravery, but it doesn't take much logic to find it more likely that a victim of DV might not be happy with a random political commentator using her trauma to gain public sympathy points (for himself, not her). he used her story as a hook for a comedy routine, not as an act of compassion.

the fact that this is fox news has nothing to do with it, i would be much more disappointed if it were a decent lib commentator. i'm guessing fox news hasn't really ever taken a stand against chris brown (if he were white, maybe) and let's not fool ourselves into thinking that every single obvious topic is reported contrary to what everyone else would say.

i mean i definitely believe chris brown should get shunned and ridiculed daily by everyone who might have some sort of influence on the public, but this isn't the way to do it and i'm not about to be on some "eh close enough" shit

So we are just basically saying that comedians aren't allowed to call out assholes for being assholes? I mean, that seems to be the common thrust here, that he was using this to "boost his career". If thats so, then I call bullshit. Do we then have to say that TMZ shouldn't stoop to be reporting domestic violence? Because, lets be real here, TMZ isn't reporting this out of some altruistic savior thing, they are trying to generate hits and boost their revenue.

jon...

there are "good ways" of doing righteous things and there "counterproductive ways" of doing righteous things. what this dude did fell somewhere in the middle. relax

has anybody called bernard cap'n save-a-breezy yet because dude. who gives a fucking shit. it's chris brown. he's a scumbag. save your incisive commentary for somebody who's worth you expending one fuckin calorie of energy.

"this guy who's kind of a dick was kind of a dick to chris brown!"
"—kick ass, this is worthwhile usage of a guy who's kind of a dick"

i am saying that comedians should call out assholes with a certain degree of tact if the overall concern is about an extremely sensitive topic, like domestic abuse. especially when the comedian in question is posturing themselves as the voice of the morally righteous. if you are going to pull that shit, doesn't it make sense to try to consider how victims of domestic abuse might take it? and if you honestly think that a decent amount of DV victims are going to pump their fists and shout YOU GO, ADAM LEVY, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to comment on a topic you know nothing about?

i said nothing about boosting his career, though pretty much everything in the media sphere is about career-boosting in a more-than-abstract way. it's about posturing himself as the guy you're supposed to agree with and failing to consider the possibility that he might be doing it wrong, because DV is bad and making fun of a domestic abuser = INSTANT AGREEMENT FROM EVERYONE, YOU ARE EVIL IF YOU DISAGREE, etc

and tmz should not report domestic violence because tmz should not exist

in dude's defense, I will say that his comments seem to resonate more and more the further removed they are from the original context (video vs. gif vs. transcript...) — it's like there was a silent majority of people waiting for *someone* to call Chris Brown out in a public forum of some sort, and when it finally happened they didn't even care that it was an uncomfortable comedy bit on a Fox News late-night program

aerosmith: i don't think bernard or i give a millionth of a shit about chris brown's feelings

and if you honestly think that a decent amount of DV victims are going to pump their fists and shout YOU GO, ADAM LEVY, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to comment on a topic you know nothing about?

When did anyone say this?

like if Chris Brown had a Thermos and somebody saw that he'd left it unattended and said "this guy farms cock, I'm gonna take a shit in his Thermos," that would not be "constructive." it would not help victims of domestic violence. none of the direct effects of domestic violence in my own life would be in any way mitigated. and yet, I would applaud the guy who crapped in Chris Brown's Thermos, because it's Chris Brown, and now his Thermos smells and tastes like shit.

"this guy who's kind of a dick was kind of a dick to chris brown!"
"—kick ass, this is worthwhile usage of a guy who's kind of a dick"

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, August 22, 2011 8:17 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

aero man i just dunno. like what good does it do anyone to shit in this guy's thermos?

lol A++++++++

yknow what, i'm gonna back away from this discussion. forget i said anything.

and if you honestly think that a decent amount of DV victims are going to pump their fists and shout YOU GO, ADAM LEVY, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to comment on a topic you know nothing about?

as a child I had to watch a motherfucker beat up my mom on the regular. I was a child and was helpless to do anything about it. she never fully recovered her humanity from the decade-plus we lived with that fuckin monster. I don't speak on behalf of everybody who bears testimony to the disruptive, destructive, evil power of domestic violence to degrade, dehumanize and fuck up the people it touches. but on behalf of the young underrated a who has spent much of his adult life crawling out from under that fuckin landslide I'm pumping my fist for the dickhead who got in some cheap shots on Chris Brown.

so yeah that is one guy's fuckin vote.

But not if this guy works for FOX maaaaaan

jon: that was part of what i figured was a sensical thought progression, ie adam levy thinks victims of DV will be on his side because he clearly thinks his side is perfect and pure in every way. it was not a response to anything in particular in this thread.

aerosmith: again, what
i am saying that making light and trivializing domestic violence is wrong and potentially very hurtful to a huge amount of people (let alone rihanna) no matter who the target is.

if someone comes up to me and tells them about their experience w sexual assault, i am not going to make jokes at the expense of the assaulter, i am going to maybe try for a lick of compassion. and then i would proceed to never, ever try to make someone laugh about their assault.

xp obv

aero man i just dunno. like what good does it do anyone to shit in this guy's thermos?

― dozens, maybe even hundreds, of vagina related screen names (forksclovetofu), Monday, August 22, 2011 8:23 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its lol to imagine chris brown accidently eating shit

can I put in a bid for somebody to have a "Shit? ...In My Thermos?" dn

re: thermos-shitting: I guess my thing is, I feel like vigilante justice and challopy pundits SHOULDN'T EVEN BE NECESSARY to condemn Chris Brown—he is a public figure who fucked up in a super-public way—didn't people used to just naturally get shunned/run out of town on rails/whatever for that? I am both fascinated and troubled by the total failure of the public sphere in this case, and I feel myself no less accountable for this outcome than any other consumer or citizen (obviously individual members of the media/artists/etc bear more or less blame depending on their conduct)