Shania Twain's Ramones T-shirt: C/D?

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Yay revenants!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I realized several hours ago the mentalist factor of complaining about a fashion discussion on a thread that's explicity devoted to a particular T-shirt several hours ago, but yes, let's carry on.

Alex, that's fine that as far as the T-shirt goes it's just a logo to me but the word "The Ramones" obviously means more than that, including a band that I have seen and records that I own.

Even assuming you know for a fact that one is a fan and the other is not, are you saying Anna Sui can sell $70 Ramones T-shirts and Shania Twain can't wear one? It's the exact same shirt -- what is the difference in effect? I mean, isn't it a good test -- would true Ramones fans be fooled? Where exactly are the boundaries of the band/scene/genre set such that that you can say a particular fashion designer is a fan and a particular pop singer isn't?

I'm not disagreeing with your position, just trying to understand it. I would expect you to be equally upset with Anna Sui for trading off Ramones logos but now I'm confused. I ahave always been curious about these what-is-okay-to-wear threads, I mean, wouldn't it be strange if I continually harped on the designer clothes a lot of musicians wear -- I mean, Mayn*rd K*enan in his Prada shoes, who does he think he is, Eurotrash? J.J. Burnel in a stripey boatneck -- what, is he a merchant sailor?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a strange over powering urge to eat a double chocolate donut.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not necessarily defending Anna Sui -- in fact, I could probably argue that she is in fact *MORE* guilty (i.e. worthy of being set on fire) than Shania because she should know that hawking glamified Ramones t-shirts is going to offend certain purists circles, but she's a fashionista to begin with (thus, an idiot). But, at least if you were to put a gun to Anna's head (and oh wouldn't that be nice) and demanded her to name two or three Ramones tracks, she could probably do it (though I'd shoot her anyway). Shania would probably fail that test, because she's a poser. Anna merely outfits posers.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

At this point I guess we have to wait until somebody interviews her and asks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

From now on I will rate people and things in terms of how worth they are of being set on fire.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Honor the etc.!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Is there any other way, Dan?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Really, you would shoot her anway? Are you saying that musical knowledge really has nothing to do with it, it's "fashion" at all that bothers you?

What is the difference between a fashionista and a rockist? What does a fashionista do, if not dictate what to wear?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Fashionista's do not like donuts or cruellers.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

but what do they do?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

"Really, you would shoot her anway?"

For this and other crimes, yes, although maybe I'd just zap her with an ink-filled water pistol or something.

"Are you saying that musical knowledge really has nothing to do with it, it's "fashion" at all that bothers you?"

I resent "fashion" that implies musical knowledge being sported by someone who doesn't take the iconography seriously.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, how much would your opinions change if Shania were interviewed and said how much she liked them? Would she have to name some favourite tracks to convince you?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, whether she likes the Ramones or not doesn't make her any less of a vile person, just less of a poser. But, I don't seriously believe that she is a Ramones fan.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree, punk rock is a serious business. As is fashion. Alex, take off those shoes right now, I mean it, they're terrible.

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and turn to the left too. Then turn to the right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Come and get'em.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, as your friend, I'm asking you to please take off the Killing Joke baseball hat, too, it's embarassing me. Baseball is very serious. Band logo baseball hats are for wannabe jock poseurs.

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

you know I'm kidding, right? The Killing Joke hat is sweet!

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

For a start, it's not baseball, it's SOFTBALL. Secondly, I'll be the firs to admit that I'm shaming the sport by participating (let alone in a Killing Joke hat). Thirdly, I DON'T CARE.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

you don't care about the Ramones shirt any more?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Sure I do. What I don't care about is sports.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

softball is a sport?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)

STEP RIGHT UP FOR THE ORTHOGONAL THROWDOWN!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

HEPL

I am so confused, how will I know the difference between an evil poseur and a person who just doesn't care? Do I set them on fire?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

When in doubt -- set them on fire.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

http://killing-joke.com/torch-1_e0.gif

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

HONOR THE FIRE

Thank you, your honor. The defense rests :)

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Taking sides: Killing Joke or Big Black?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:31 (twenty-three years ago)

there is such an irony when people are protecting the Ramones from "poseurs."
First off...none of them were actually Ramones by blood.
Second...I don't think the (admittedly ironic) fetishization of Nazi memorabilia came naturally to Jeffrey Hyman. Neither did leather jackets (dude rocked flares back in the day).

I was gonna reference Alex and his goon squad coming to town *beep! beep!* But Ned stole my fire.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

At the American Music Awards:
http://cache.eonline.com/Gossip/Fashion/Images2003/twain.012103.jpg

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-three years ago)

In Shania's new video she pulls a Canadian flag, a Canadiens Hockey Jersey, a bunch of other assorted crap I'm forgetting, and an AC/DC shirt out of what appears to be some sort of "hip" hope chest. I have no idea what's going on anymore, but I'm horrified to say the least.

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)

At the American Music Awards:

Like Cher at the Oscars circa 1987. But, you know, without taste.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:45 (twenty-three years ago)

god. you people keep forgetting that she's Mrs. Mutt Lange. It explains EVERYTHING (including her assnasty warddrobe). And Mutt produced AC/DC...so duhhh!!!!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 02:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Who could forget? Sheesh - you say that as if "Mutt style" makes any sense to begin with.

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)

It explains EVERYTHING

How dull that is, though.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 03:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, I totally want that bandages and taffeta outfit, what is that? That's fantastical.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 05:30 (twenty-three years ago)

That looks like John Galliano for Dior.

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 06:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Gwen Stefani in head-to-toe John Galliano at the 2002 Dior Paris show:

http://www.luxuryfashion.com/gstefani_grossdale_dioroutside.jpg

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 07:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gwen in Galliano at the 2002 Grammys (see the boots, Ally?)

http://www.luxuryfashion.com/gstefani_gallianochiffonleopard_grammys02.jpg

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

This is such an old story. It goes back at least as far as the time Al Jolson wore that "Stravinsky" T-shirt on the cover of Photoplay.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 07:11 (twenty-three years ago)

"Taking sides: Killing Joke or Big Black?"

There would be no Big Black without Killing Joke. Albini owes his fucking career to them.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:29 (twenty-three years ago)

(I was thinking more "HONOR THE FIRE!" vs "SET ME ON FIRE!", to be honest.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember in like 1991, the punks at my high school would wear New Kids shirts. So like, maybe this is payback. Maybe the squares are finally fighting back. Maybe, like the Atomic 7 song suggests, she's wearing the shirt IRONICALLY???

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh fer fux sake:

DUD!

…already….

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:51 (twenty-three years ago)

HAHA Dave, that could be the name of a track on Shania's new album!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

At first I thought this thread had gone on a bit too long. And that was in November.. Then it got to be funny that it was so long .. By the time I posted that last bit, it was so old that it just wasn't funny anymore.

But, will wonders never cease, it's already starting to be funny to me again.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Let's revive this awful thread, as Fred Durst was sporting a Minor Threat T-shirt at the press conference for the Metallica tour yesterday. So, Alex in NYC and Anthony Miccio, FITE!

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/m/Metallica/sq-limp-linkin-metallica-tour-mtv.jpg

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

One more pic, since in this one it looks like Lars' neck just snapped.

http://metallica.com/news/2003/images/feb5_2.jpg

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I do like the way his tongue is all lolling out of his head (even more so than before). I think what is more amusing is how Fred Durst is mutating into Tommy Lee.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

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