The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

forget it, hoos. it's bill magill. *chinatown music*

what if Tony Iommi said it

― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:42 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

then it would be utter brilliance of course.

forget it, hoos. it's bill magill. *chinatown music*

― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:12 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I agree with this. I certainly don't take myself very seriously, either.

You would think people would be used to rhetorical hyperbole by now

THEY GOT NO WAR TO NAME US

or is it "ain't got no war to name us"?

whatever

Am I the only one who likes Tim much more than Let it Be?

no tim is the best, slightly grey production aside

yeah Tim has pretty much everything that the replacements do so well.

I don't like Tim much at all. In the bottom 3 'Mats records for me.

Ooooo, EZ, you disappoint me. Care to elaborate?

It took me awhile to get into Tim. "Here Comes A Regular" still sounds a bit too maudlin.

Isn't it supposed to, though? That's the point, it's a sad state of affairs.

I've always thought that much of Tim sounds like they are trying too hard to make a "Replacements record". There is good stuff on Tim, but too little of the bratty spark of the albums that preceded it. However, I'm one of those weird fans that think Hootenanny is the best thing they ever did, and that All Shook Down is the best of the Sire records.

yeah Tim has pretty much everything that the replacements do so well.

― tylerw, Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

^ this.

Unfortunately, "choosing a good producer" is not something the Replacements generally did well. I love this record to bits, but the dated production has dimmed some of its brilliance over the years.

Isn't it supposed to, though? That's the point, it's a sad state of affairs.

It doesn't hit the cylinders like other "pitiful" songs like "The Grand Tour".

It's not supposed to hit cylinders. The lack of cylinder-hitting is the entire subject of the song. Dude in "The Grand Tour" is all over-the-top, omigod I've lost someone. "Regulars" is a guy who deliberately keeps himself from having much to lose.

Anyway, came on this thread to post this, because I enjoyed it. I don't have any particular reason to love Tommy, but I do anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7eWEafLU7A

<3

And Tim was the first album of theirs I bought, so it's hard to be objective about it. I've always loved it, and I even love its bright, garbled sound, but I understand complaints about the production. It doesn't sound quite like the big rock album they thought they were making (which Pleased to Meet Me does, I think), it sounds like something else. I just really like it.

It doesn't sound quite like the big rock album they thought they were making (which Pleased to Meet Me does, I think)

yes

cf 'here comes a regular,' which would have been a very different and less good song on tim imo

Not trying to read the rest of the thread right now but the video jesse malin just posted is awesome.

Always wondered if Johnny Thunders got that title from a Honeymooners episode.

Had some production problems with Tim back in the day but I learned to enjoy and accept what at first seemed to be its off quality and now I like it, the same as with Marshall Crenshaw's Field Day.

i mean i sort of got over my production issues when i realized just how slick 'dont tell a soul' was, like

ok 'pleased' is slick at moments

its not so slippery i could slide on it

i'll live with it

Yeah what HOOS just said

'here comes a regular,' which would have been a very different and less good song on tim imo

But it was on Tim.

woops lol i meant 'nightclub jitters'

I love Tim and the strong numbers on PTMM compensate for the run of boring rockers, in which I can hear a band falling out of love with rockers ("Shooting Dirty Pool," "Red Red Wine" and whatever else stands in the way of "Skyway").

The band was falling out of love or the songwriter was? Whatever the answer, without Bob Stinson's idiot-savant magic, those rockers didn't add up to much

what sort of crazy person doesn't like 'red red wine'

Big mistake recording PTMM as a three piece IMO

The band was falling out of love or the songwriter was?

Both!

what sort of crazy person doesn't like 'red red wine'

The sort of crazy person who thinks Westerberg sucked as a lead guitarist.

Big mistake recording PTMM as a three piece IMO

― Master of Treacle, Monday, August 22, 2011 10:50 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

What choice did they have? They didn't have time to break in a new lead guitarist, and Westerberg wailed -- I love Bob Stinson, but I don't know that he could've negotiated the "Alex Chilton" solo as well as Westerberg did. The one post-Bob album they did as a 4-piece was a step (or two) down from PTMM.

The "Chilton" solo is the best on the album – agreed.

"IOU" and "Alex Chilton" are better rockers than anything on Tim.

So Glen Campbell covered "Sadly Beautiful" by the Replacements. I forget what Replacements album that is on. Westerberg wrote a new song for Campbell's upcoming release.

All Shook Down, I think? I will have to check it out.

Yep, it's on All Shook Down. Wait, Glen Campbell covered it? Mind blown, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AddX3jVQV3U

idk if any of yall give a fuck about lucero, but this cover of 'if only you were lonely' that i just stumbled on makes me pretty happy

http://grooveshark.com/s/If+Only+You+Were+Lonely/3JH8yn?src=5

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/paul-westerberg-tommy-stinson-consider-replacements-reunion-20110822

In 2006, Westerberg and Stinson reunited the Replacements to record two new songs for a compilation LP. Session drummer Josh Freese played drums, though Mars did contribute background vocals. "From time to time we'll get together and jam just for fun," says Stinson. "We do it without any sort of expectations or anything. We didn't break up in any sort of a nasty fashion. There was no dispute or anything. We just kind of walked way from it. I'm not so sure if there's any point in really revisiting it necessarily."

And let's be clear, that song was pretty awful.

Tommy Stinson – who currently plays bass in Guns N' Roses and Soul Asylum
still so weird

If it were anybody else it might be but in this case not that weird.

Why don't more bands cover this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EonYQxlpLfI&feature=related

afghan whigs covered that once when i saw them and the crowd went nuts

Think I saw Austin local legend Michael Hall cover that one once at The Hole In The Wall and it went over pretty well.

When I heard that the Goo Goo Dolls covered that, I thought, surely they got that from the the Replacements

Didn'y they cover the Cross as well?

Soul Asylum did "The Cross" as part of "James at 16 - Heavy Medley" on a 12-inch B-side. Don't think Replacements ever did it.

One of my favorite Replacements covers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKpmpe6ysEY

This - a group of tricenarians (well, maybe except for Stephen King on the bass) playing a set in front Sam's Italian Pizzeria while families stroll across the plaza, listening to the haunting tunes of a 25-year-old song about suicide. "She's trying to be reached on her CELLphone…."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fPFA7YdXz4

"We're CERTIFIED ANGUS from Lansing. Happy Mothers Day!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90Eq7gqCbk

welp