Or maybe we should just change the subject, I know how you like that. Trent vs. Axl in spoiled baby rockstar FITE!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link
I didn't accuse anyone of saying this, I was making a larger point about gender-based double standards. Read what I wrote, as you say.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link
never met or heard anything from someone painting her as a "hero, either".
The more people are bugged by someone, the more uptight they expose themselves to be. When bugged, ignore. There's lots more interesting stuff in the world to focus on. Like talking about the music.OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM
― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Celebrity haters = me yawning.
― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link
letting the thread morph into whatever = maybe we should just change the subject, I know how you like that
so be careful.
― chuck, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link
so be careful"
I think I've just entered a Brian de Palma movie.
Not interestingly or surpisingly, I just noticed that it only took three posts for this thread to veer into the world of Courtney and away from the album.
Is that an ILM record, I wonder.
― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link
They made a conscious decision to keep themselves private, which Courtney has never done at any point in the last twelve years.
Making a conscious effort to keep oneself out of the limelight does a lot to transcend the differences between male celebrities and female celebrities.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link
?
What differences?
― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link
i agree with yr second post, natch
― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost
― chuck, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link
On this, Chuck, we can agree. And he's a better songwriter than Kurt, Courtney, Billy, and Linda Perry. *If* he's still writing his own songs.
whoa...xposts out a wah-zoo.
― frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link
But talking about somebody staying out of the spotlight gets boring real fast (MJ is an exception, but then again, his level of ubercelebrity and uberfreakiness is also an exception). People move on to talking about other things -- but in Courtney's case, she always reappears to supply them with new ammunition. What the media/fans/Courtney hataz do with that ammunition is a different matter (as opposed to how they would treat male celebs).
(xposts, etc.)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link
And he is a better singer and dancer as well!! And he hires better rhythm sections! (Axl comes oddly close on all counts, however. And they're both from Indiana!)
― chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Vic (filmclasse...), September 1st, 2004.
You had to do a presentation on the film to get that across?
Anyway, as for my two cents worth: I've always been indifferent towards Hole/Courtney Love. I don't have that scarily irrational hatred that some people seem to have of her. She's written some good songs ("Violet" and "Doll Parts" especially). But I dunno, she never made much of an impression on me.
The whole Cobain wrote LTT thing is bullshit. Any similarity between Hole and Nirvana prolly comes from them working in roughly similar styles of music and the fact of Cobain and Love being married. It's well-known that they influenced each other's writing, but that doesn't equal cobain writing hole's album.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link
We creepy people typing away are far from the brain of a rock-star, I'm sorry to say this but I must. vive la difference
― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh for cryin' out loud, Fuck Michael Jackson!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
Thea isn't creepy or bilious. Sure, she hangs around in belfreys and keeps talking about the blood of the living, but who doesn't?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
I wonder if they combined their album collections? Or kept them in separate rooms. (Kurt's was more indie '80s pigfuck and Courtney's more major-label '80s modern rock, from what little I've read. I bet Curt would be real pissed if Courtney mis-filed his Flipper album!)
― chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:27 (nineteen years ago) link
People probably hate it cuz they hate Courtney, cuz...she could be a cunt sometimes.
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link
For once in this thread I'm in agreement with Alex
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link
This is kinda embarrassing, but when I first heard her sing that line in "Asking for It" - "Live through this and I swear that I would die for you," or something like that - I actually cried.
"Doll Parts" is also excellent. Heartbreaking, too.
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link
I hate the corny Chinatown/LA dystopia images on the cover and the insert, although the nod to the cover of the Gun Club's Miami is sort of nice.
Tim Finney--sorry I missed your comments about Eric Erlandson just three posts above mine. I wonder if he's retired? He used to be a real man-about-town, EfH, but I rarely see him out anymore. Not that I get out much, though.
― Arthur (Arthur), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link
how is this a patronizing statement?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link
Wait, am I using the word "patronizing" correctly?
(Also, I'm leaving in less than twenty minutes.)
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Dammit, I know I'm gonna have to leave any minute now...
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:46 (nineteen years ago) link