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Steve Albini on sharing an airpot shuttle with Odd Future:

http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53523&p=1374892#p1374892

"they piled in, niggering everything in sight"

I am quite happy none of them engaged me directly, because at least one of us would have regretted it.

I am well aware, thanks, that good people can make ugly art and that ugly people can make good art. Ultimately the function of art is to express something and move an idea from one person to another, and the tools of that can include revulsion and discomfort. Having been in a few bands myself, thanks, I know that the uninitiated can mistake these devices as windows into the soul of the creator. Ultimately they are, of course, but not necessarily in the crude autobiographical way they are often interpreted.

hmm

I seriously adore (and obv RELATE) to Albini's old crank routine about 95% of the time. But literally every time he talks about rap music he manages to sound like a complete fucking toolshed and borderline racist. He's in the sampling documentary talking about how it doesnt take any talent to sample. Like, come on, dude.

i'd be so psyched to share an airport shuttle with Odd Future

he has produced (yes, produced) some beautiful sounding records but more and more i think the guy is just repellant.

wow the electrical audio bb web server is getting hammered

hope someone got a screencap

"i've got no problem with rapey assholes provided they're not-so-secretly bookish nerds"

the whole thing for posterity

My band shared an airport shuttle with them in Barcelona. They piled onto the shuttle late, after finally getting corralled by their minder, who was nursing a head wound with an ice bag wrapped in a towel. They piled in, niggering everything in sight, motherfucking the driver, boasting into the air unbidden about getting their dicks sucked and calling everyone in the area a faggot. Then one of them lit a joint (or a pipe, I didn't look) and told the driver to shut the fuck up nigger and smoked it anyway. A female passenger tried to engage one of them in conversation, but he just stared at her with a dead-to-me stare while his seatmate flipped double birds in her face.

The whole trip they complained about not being at a McDonalds and repeatedly shouted for the motherfucker to pull over so they could get some fucking McDonalds nigger. Interspersed with the McDonalds requests were shouted boasts about how often they masturbated and fucked bitches nigger and got paid like a motherfucker fifty grand like a motherfucker. They continued complaining that the trip was taking too long and insisted they be fed immediately all the way to the airport, where their minder presumably fed them.

I am quite happy none of them engaged me directly, because at least one of us would have regretted it.

I am well aware, thanks, that good people can make ugly art and that ugly people can make good art. Ultimately the function of art is to express something and move an idea from one person to another, and the tools of that can include revulsion and discomfort. Having been in a few bands myself, thanks, I know that the uninitiated can mistake these devices as windows into the soul of the creator. Ultimately they are, of course, but not necessarily in the crude autobiographical way they are often interpreted.

I know all that, so I am never quick to judge a person based on a superficial reading of creative output. Peter Sotos is a lovely fellow whom I trust implicitly, despite his writing evoking a truly primal disgust in me, to use another rapey example. Michael Gerald from Killdozer said it best in an interview, when the journalist remarked that he seemed like a nice fellow, which was unexpected given that the characters in his songs are often repellent. "Oh, that's not us," he said, "that's the crazy people we sing about." In that light, I am one hundred percent behind Odd Future's right to rap about what they wanna rap about, and if she don't like it fuck her.

And also fuck me. It's none of my business what they wanna. I'm not part of the audience for hip hop, and as a non-dilettante I don't generally respond to it when I hear it, so I can't make any critical assessment of Odd Future's music on its own terms, but they go out of their way to make it clear that this is not a case of regular people making music about assholes, but assholes making music about being assholes. I have no time for that. I don't respond kindly to it when Ted Nugent does it either.

If the whole thing is a put-on, a bit of Vincent Gallo life-as-theater for the benefit of whoever happens to be sitting next to them, that's no excuse. It's being an asshole about being an asshole.

some poster: "Bun B beat Tyler to the pregnant woman/threesome joke by a cool two decades"

reminds me of that @noz post (i think?) where he said he wanted to slap whatever rap blogger introduced that song to white people on the internet

I seriously adore (and obv RELATE) to Albini's old crank routine about 95% of the time. But literally every time he talks about rap music he manages to sound like a complete fucking toolshed and borderline racist. He's in the sampling documentary talking about how it doesnt take any talent to sample. Like, come on, dude.

― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 8, 2011 5:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^basically all of this - I don't know what the sampling documentary is but there's some old thread on that board about (iirc) Burial where he weighs in and just gets more smh-y the more he digs his heels in - I think you could make a solid case for his complete blind spot in this whole area actually being beneficial to the way he records his and other ppl's music, but it doesn't make his blah any less blah-like to read

all that said nothing he's written about OF there (the c+p'd post) strikes me as terribly objectionable

I'm not sure what the big deal is re: Albini's Odd Future post, with the exception of needlessly dropping the n-word in every sentence. Feel like the basic point was calling out some assholes for acting like assholes.

i just think albini's always gotten cranky when "transgressive" music has been made by extroverted jackasses. he likes his ugliness made by quiet loners like himself.

If the whole thing is a put-on, a bit of Vincent Gallo life-as-theater for the benefit of whoever happens to be sitting next to them, that's no excuse. It's being an asshole about being an asshole.

i agree with this part, these cornballs being toxic shitheads 24/7 is just ugh

I'm not sure what the big deal is re: Albini's Odd Future post, with the exception of needlessly dropping the n-word in every sentence.

well, for one...

Anyone else in the world, besides any other boring old angry people, would have joined in the fun.

albini seemed to be 'quoting' without using 'quotemarks' in a way that just invites all sorts of scorn given what he was quoting

Anyone else in the world, besides any other boring old angry people, would have joined in the fun.

ah, yes. the fun of torturing some poor underpaid dude just trying to do his job.

when 90 percent of odd future are working their own crummy jobs in 10 years one can only hope they get just as much shit from the next generation of asshole teenagers. thecircleoflife.mp3.

I somehow don't trust his perspective... He clearly has no tolerance for culture outside of his own.

yeah let me be clear, when on public transit with people screaming a bunch of bullshit, it's not a good experience

what "culture" is about smoking a joint and yelling at ppl on an airport shuttle billstevejim?

Well I was referring to n-word usage when I said that.

sad future work

Also not exactly a news-flash that these dudes are little asshole punks.

so wait are they little asshole punks, or just a bunch of dudes having some fun being stymied by elderly captain bringdowns? pick a lane, dude.

who said it was a news flash?

lol @ billsteve and strongo getting caught in a sarcasm echo chamber. somebody open a window!

There's no lane... A dude well-known for being an asshole expresses his opinion about a bunch of dudes well-known for being assholes. If I were on the shuttle I would have simply watched and been entertained for a few minutes, although I would have felt bad for the driver.

Feel like in some ways a good parallel for Tyler (& OF) is my brother Fred Durst. Dursty waited until well after his peak to reveal that he was bullied in school, but Tyler was wily enough to be up front about it at the very beginning.

Bullies who were once bullied are the very worst bullies.

xp you have created a mighty large umbrella of assholes there

funny thing about Durst though is that he courted a female-heavy audience early on, i guess under the pretense that that all his angry songs about women were about THAT last girl he broke up with or whatever. not so much the case with OF.

albini is very polite irl

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MC Harvestworks Records (1985)

2LP (Blast First! UK BFFP21/22) (1988)

"Pray I Don't Kill You F*gg*t"

Steve solo on this one, under the name Run N*gg*r Run; a duet with Nate Katrud from Urge Overkill.

In billstevejim's world of assholes...

the big deal about the albini post is the guy basically trolled the world for most of the 80s

This whole Milwaukee State Fair thing (a mob of young black kids randomly attacking white people) seems to be a whole byproduct of this

xps: would you say OF's audience is male-heavy? No idea. Probably

seems to be a whole byproduct of this

Of what? Odd Future? That's ridiculous.

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frogbs... i'm listening...

I don't think they're really connected I couldn't help linking the two in my mind

oh thank god, frogbs is here to talk about race

fuck off dude

randomly attacking white people is one of my favorite pasttimes tbh

I don't think they're really connected I couldn't help linking the two in my mind

oh boy

"i can't help but connect this incident of a group of black kids acting like dicks on a bus to the incident where a bunch of black kids pummeled a group of white people at a state fair"

"this mob of young black kids randomly attacking white people seems to be a byproduct of kids reading the Fader and talking about Joy Division"

--frogbs

frogbs, for bonus points can you tie the whole "flash mob" in downtown Chicago phenomenon to "this"?